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Podcast Episode #62: Miracle Monday with Dr. Dustin Dillberg!

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Dr. Chad Woolner: This episode of the laser light show is brought to you by the erroneous upcoming seminar, the mind-body connection. Revitalize your practice through neurological and traditional Chinese medicine advancements. This is going to be with my good friend, Dr. Trevor Berry, who is an amazing functional neurologist, and Dr. Dustin Tilburg, who is an incredible traditional Chinese medicine practitioner. This is going to be in Honolulu, Hawaii, of all places. So get your CES in paradise. It’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be on Saturday, September 9, and Sunday, September 10. So if you want to find out more and register for this amazing upcoming seminar, go to Erchonia.com seats are gonna go fast. You do not want to miss it. So go to Erchonia.com. Find out more, find out all the details, register, get your seat, and have an amazing time. We’ll see you guys at the seminar. What’s going on everybody? Dr. Chad Woolner here with Dr. Andrew Wells, and on today’s episode of the laser light show, we have with us Dr. Dustin Dillberg again, but this time to share a Miracle Monday story. We’re so excited to hear this story. So let’s get to it.




Dr. Andrew Wells

Dr. Chad Woolner

Dr. Dustin Dillberg


 Dr. Chad Woolner: Growing up in Portland, Oregon, I used to love going to laser light shows at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. They would put on these amazing light shows with incredible designs and sync up to some of my favorite music from the Beatles to Pink Floyd to Jimi Hendrix and Metallica. They were awesome. Little did I know then that lasers would have such a profound effect on my life decades later. As a chiropractic physician, I have seen firsthand just how powerful laser therapy is at helping patients struggling with a wide range of health problems. As the leader in laser therapy, Erchonia has pioneered the field in obtaining 20 of the 23 total FDA clearances for therapeutic application of lasers. On this podcast, we’ll explore the science and technology and physiology behind what makes these tools so powerful. Join me as we explore low-level laser therapy. I’m Dr. Chad Woolner, along with my good friend, Dr. Andrew Wells, and welcome to the laser light show. All right. Welcome to the show, everybody. And welcome back. Dr. Dillberg, good to have you again. Thank you. So you have a Miracle Monday story for us. I’m excited to hear this. Because from our previous conversations, it sounds like you’ve probably got a lot of Miracle Monday stories. So this should be really, really good.


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Dr. Dustin Dillberg: This is one that kind of struck me to my core, I have to admit. And it blew my mind in a way that I am excited to share. It certainly seems almost too far out there, too good to be true in some ways. So hold on to your seat. Let’s chat. So working with a woman in her late 50s, who has an interesting history, and she was deaf in one ear. And so I was thinking that might have to do with some of her postural imbalances. She’s always listening with, you know, her good side. She doesn’t remember when that one-sided deafness happened, just kind of as far back as she could remember, she could not hear well out of that side. And she was mainly presenting for frozen shoulder on the same side as her deaf ear. And through a few sessions and working with her, we got some results, especially as we started dialing in some of her postural imbalances and things like that. I was thrilled when I was able to get better range of motion in her frozen shoulder, feel that it was releasing fabulously, and she’d be thrilled with much less pain, and she walked out of my office. But without fail, whether it was a day later, two days later, a week later, she would come back with the exact same starting point. We weren’t getting anywhere in a lasting fashion. And this is kind of right when I was incorporating Erchonia lasers. And so it wasn’t necessarily that every single patient was getting lasered in the way that I practice now. And so I was choosing to go through some of the things like trying to figure out what the breaking points are, not a physical issue with her frozen shoulder, there’s got to be something deeper. Tried to ask her about her diet and all the chemical components that might cause inflammation and, you know, joint immobilization wasn’t getting anywhere with her. She, you know, I really believe she ate a really clean diet. But it seemed like there were some emotional undercurrents that might be playing a role as well. And so my dad taught me a series of forgiveness affirmations that he always gives homage to early days at any teaching him. And so I forgive myself. I forgive others. I allow others to forgive me and acknowledge your higher power and ask for forgiveness. And so I was going through this and asking her just to think of whatever’s come into mind as we start to laser this whole area now laser in her brain, her, you know, that quadrant to her shoulder and scapula. And as she, as I was lasering she kind of changed her posture and looked at me in a really odd way with just her eyes were all welled up with tears. And she wouldn’t respond to me and she started to pull away from me. And she stood up, walked straight out of my office, didn’t acknowledge anyone, and disappeared. And I didn’t know, didn’t know what I did. I was scared to death like, Did I hurt you? What were you thinking? Did I offend you? She wouldn’t return any calls I called to check up on her. It was just odd. And so about two weeks later, she called the office and said, I’d like to come in for another appointment. Now we had her scheduled for certain things. She just, you know, showed me these other appointments. She completely ghosted us. Yeah. And she said, I think I’m ready for another appointment. She came in. And she’s like, before we do any of that, I think I need more treatment like that. But I have to, I have to tell you kind of what’s going on. And she proceeded to tell me that she was made aware of a memory pattern that she definitely blocked out. She had no recollection of this. But this memory was of her father, who died when she was three years old. And she had, at just shy of three, a little chatterbox listening to everything around her. And she overheard her dad in a conversation where he was having another relationship outside of marriage with another man. And she said that news to mom and created a serious family issue. And when dad heard that her or his daughter was the one that shared this news and kind of revealed this big secret, he walked up just in anger, not towards her, but just like, how could you do this to me? He wound up and it didn’t hit her. But he wound up and she protected her ear and pulled one shoulder up. And she said, I went right back into this position. That was exactly what she looked up at me. And she basically felt like she saw her dad and me kind of an odd, like memory recall. And she protected her shoulder, got up and ran away, which is similar to what she says she remembers now. And she said, I don’t know if it’s a real memory, or if it’s a dream or what’s going on. But this is really outside my comfort zone. And I don’t know what to do with it. And I said, I’m with you completely outside my comfort zone, too. I had no idea what kind of worms were opening up here. And I’m not necessarily trained in handling this. But I’m here for you and I care and I would love to help any way I can. If you’re comfortable enough with it to start lasering and going through these forgiveness affirmations, I’d love to try it again. But if you’re not comfortable, just tell me let’s stop anywhere you need to. As we began lasering to make a longer story a little shorter. It was fascinating. And her posture started to unwind. And I was lasering over her shoulder. And at this point, really, I’d heard about it, I kind of have said that I acknowledged or believed it. I didn’t. To my real core. I didn’t believe that we held emotions in tissues this way. I didn’t think trauma and emotional, you know, issues could be imprinted into tissue this way. But as I was lasering, I saw a handprint. Literally exactly the size of an adult male’s handprint turned bright red, almost purplish on her shoulder, right where she had this frozen shoulder recurring night shoulder issue. And it was wrapped around her shoulder, and I continued to laser it. And it almost looks like a cupping mark, just like tissue being separated from these deeper layers, like there’s deep adhesions through this handprint. And as that handprint went away, her arm started to move like it hadn’t moved before. She felt like it was an absolute miracle like she couldn’t move in every direction. It gently tightened up a little bit. We ended up doing it for three or four treatments. And she started to hear things that she hadn’t heard before, and her ears started to recover. It was the most wild and indescribable treatment that I’ve ever experienced. But to see an actual imprint of a hand. I literally jumped back like four feet. I was like, Is there a ghost in here? This is crazy. And it was quite impactful for both of us. So Miracle Monday, you can get decades of deeply stored trauma to release with the power of some of these lasers.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah. Wow. Wow.


Dr. Andrew Wells: I don’t know what to say to that. I mean that truly is a miracle. That’s amazing.


Dr. Dustin Dillberg: Yeah, it was wild.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I think it’s worth noting, though, I want to make sure that we don’t gloss over an important part of this, that I think practitioners need to hear it. and myself included, right? How many of us have attempted to use lasers with patients, and patients don’t get the ultimate result that we’re hoping for or the level of the result that we’re hoping for. And then we stop there. We’re like, oh, man, well, I guess, I guess that’s that. And, and yet, one of the common denominators that I find not just with you, but with the most successful practitioners in terms of outcomes with patients, is that they’re never satisfied with, you know, what I mean, they’re, they’re always willing to just dig a little bit deeper, push a little bit further. Innovate a little bit more, you know, what I mean? Think outside the box, you know, combine and stack and, and really be, look to be a problem solver. You know what I mean? And because I think it’s only natural for practitioners to want the frequency setting, you know, that’s the first thing practitioners ask, right? If they want to know, okay, what’s the, you know, okay, so they’re listening to this right, Dr. Dillberg? And they’re like, Okay, I’ve got a patient who’s dealing with deafness, or whatever. So what frequency settings did you use? You know, because then they want to, like, plug it in? And then do that? And how many minutes was it for? And where did you do it, you know, what’s the, what’s the very linear black and white protocol that you can just give to me that I can just plug right in and press them and step away and then get the result. And I think that this is where the real artistry, we’ll call it of, of being a true healer comes into play, that I think we have to acknowledge, on some level, a certain level of intuition that you have to be willing to almost submit to, to allow yourself to, and I know this might really turn some people off who are a little bit more heavy science-minded. And I totally get that. And I don’t mean to be this way. But I almost feel like being willing to submit your own judgment and your own thinking to tapping into some higher source of wisdom, understanding knowledge, whatever you want to call that, to really kind of flow, if you will, I don’t know if that’s the right word, in terms of how you go about solving these problems with patients. Right. And I think that’s the whole point is you didn’t look this up in some manual. Okay, patient presents with, you know, bilateral deafness and frozen shoulders. So what pages that aren’t, you know what I mean? Okay, read some texts. Yeah, this came about as like a little bit of trial and error and a little bit of, again, intuition. Am I correct? In that kind of way of framing that?


Dr. Dustin Dillberg: Yeah, I have to say that I was hesitant to share a story of this magnitude, because I’m sure it’ll turn a number of people off, because of it, I would have rolled my eyes at it. If it hadn’t happened to me in a number of ways I am, you know, quite a straight edge, you know, Christian male that is, you know, doesn’t really look outside that scientific box, in some ways, that over experiences, I can’t help. But I think if it’s easier to describe it as being present, like, rather than being too logical, just be present, and be aware of what’s happening right now and be open to the process, because the process doesn’t look the same for everybody. As soon as we think a = b, you know, we tend to find out that there are exceptions to certain rules we have. We have a finite limitation to our thought process that sometimes proves to be larger than our minds. And so it’s outside of a lot of my comfort zones. It’s not my training, but miracles aren’t usually in the textbooks, you know, maybe a case study, but there isn’t a protocol for miracles, and keeping our eyes and ears and awareness open to what your patient needs at whatever time is. It’s pretty special.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, that would be my advice to those listening, right? If you want to see more miracles in your practice, if you feel like man, all these other practitioners that are in and the thing I would say is that these miracles are happening all around us. We can’t tell you how many. I mean, we get to interview docs, but I guarantee you for every doc we interview, there are 10, if not 100 more that are happening all around us. And if you’re a practitioner, who doesn’t seem to be like I don’t see Those, I would explain exactly what you said second, what Dr.Dillberg is saying here. And, and just really making sure that you’re not satisfied if you go through and you do laser on a patient and at first or second or third time, you don’t maybe get the response that you’re hoping for. Maybe step back, open your eyes and your mind to being more present, be more willing to think outside the box and approach things in a different fashion. And I think a lot of practitioners will be pleasantly surprised as to what they experienced and what they find. Because that seems to be the common denominator amongst the doc’s that we talked to who are experiencing these types of incredible stories. So it’s a beautiful story. 


Dr.Dustin Dillberg: To all the docs, I would not have started here. A new patient, it’s not where I would have totally gone in, you know, to Dr. Jerome’s ADC manual looked up hearing loss and frozen shoulder and, you know, adhesions and capsulitis. And those types of frequencies. And with the majority of people you do bat at a really high percentage, right? Yeah, might not bat 1000. But you bite bad with incredibly high percentages with these tools, especially when you stack them with other therapies. Yeah. And so a number of other frozen shoulder cases I could talk to you about that seem kind of miraculous because they resolve so well. So another one earlier this week that in one treatment, they felt 100% better. But this kind of trumps that just because of the history and the outcome, I’ve never seen a handprint come up through someone’s shoulder before. in that fashion. It was incredible.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah. Amazing. Well, thank you for sharing such a beautiful story with us, Dr. Dillberg. We really appreciate you being with us. And yeah, Dr. Andrew, any thoughts?


Dr. Andrew Wells: Yeah, if you have any more stories like that, we’d love to have you back on for another miracle Monday. And thanks. Yeah, you know, that is you share that story like the hair raises up on the back of my neck. And it also encouraged dogs to go back and listen to your recent episode on therapy stacking too, because that’s kind of your miracle Monday story kind of alludes to the fact that you’re using multiple different types of therapies to help patients and I think that’s will give providers some context for how and why you’re getting the really cool results that you’re getting.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, absolutely.


Dr. Andrew Wells: So thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah.


Dr. Dustin Dillberg: Thank you guys.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, you bet. Awesome. Thanks for listening, everybody. We hope that this has been inspiring for you. We hope this has been yet again another incredible miracle that you heard right here on the laser light show. So Thanks, and have an awesome day. We’ll talk to you guys on the next episode. Thanks for listening to the laser light show, be sure to subscribe and give us a review. If you’re interested in learning more about Erchonia lasers just head on over to Erchonia.com. There you’ll find a ton of useful resources including research news and links to upcoming live events, as well as the Erchonia E-community where you can access for free additional resources including advanced training and business tools. Again, thanks for listening and we will catch you on the next episode.


About The Guest(s):

A graduate of Pacific College of Oriental Medicine, the Egoscue Institute, and Pettibon Spinal Technologies, Dr. Dillberg has cultivated a deep understanding of how the body functions and heals. With extensive clinical experience, he has had the privilege of working closely with elite professional athletes, enriching their lives through his holistic approach.

Dr. Dillberg’s journey has been marked by notable accomplishments. In 2014, he co-authored the book “Body and Soul” alongside the inspirational Bethany Hamilton, offering insights into the harmony of physical and spiritual well-being. Anchored on the island of Kauai, he oversees the Pain Free Kauai clinic, where he seamlessly integrates traditional Chinese medicine with postural corrective exercise, laser therapy, and functional medicine.


On today’s episode of the Laser Light Show we get to hear our distinguished guest, Dr. Dustin Dillberg, discuss his knowledge in the realms of sports medicine, myofascial systems, lymphatics, pain management, and functional medicine.

To find out more about Dr. Dillberg visit: https://www.painfree-kauai.com/

Key Takeaways:

As a captivating speaker and consultant, Dr. Dillberg shares his wealth of knowledge with healthcare professionals, illuminating the path to integrating posture-based exercise and functional medicine into their practices. His dedication to enhancing lives through comprehensive healing approaches is truly remarkable


“As we began lasering to make a longer story a little shorter. It was fascinating. And her posture started to unwind. And I was lasering over her shoulder. And at this point, really, I’d heard about it, I kind of have said that I acknowledged or believed it. I didn’t. To my real core. I didn’t believe that we held emotions in tissues this way. I didn’t think trauma and emotional issues could be imprinted into tissue this way.” -Dr. Dustin Dillberg

“As soon as we think a = b, you know, we tend to find out that there are exceptions to certain rules we have. We have a finite limitation to our thought process that sometimes proves to be larger than our minds.” -Dr. Dustin Dillberg