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Podcast Episode #63: Lasers, Mitochondria and Beyond with Dr. Dan Murphy

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Dr. Chad Woolner: Hey everybody, Dr. Chad Woolner here with my good friend, Dr. Andrew Wells. And on today’s episode of the laser light show, we have with us our good friend and special guest, Dr. Dan Murphy. We’re so excited to have him back with us. So let’s get to it. 



Dr. Andrew Wells

Dr. Chad Woolner

Dr. Dan Murphy


Growing up in Portland, Oregon, I used to love going to laser light shows at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. They would put on these amazing light shows with incredible designs synced up to some of my favorite music from the Beatles to Pink Floyd to Jimi Hendrix and Metallica. They were awesome. Little did I know then that lasers would have such a profound effect on my life decades later. As a chiropractic physician, I have seen firsthand just how powerful laser therapy is in helping patients struggling with a wide range of health problems. As the leader in laser therapy, Erchonia has pioneered the field in obtaining 20 of the 23 total FDA clearances for therapeutic application of lasers. On this podcast, we’ll explore the science and technology and physiology behind what makes these tools so powerful. Join me as we explore low-level laser therapy. I’m Dr. Chad Woolner, along with my good friend, Dr. Andrew Wells, and welcome to the laser light show. All right. Welcome to the show, everybody. We’re super excited to have Dr. Dan Murphy with us. Dr. Dan Murphy. Welcome to the show again. How are you?


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Dr. Dan Murphy: Hey, I’m good. And thanks for having me on again, guys.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Awesome. What’s new in your world? How have things been? I know you just had a seminar with Dr. Kristin Hieshetter. Where was that at?


Dr. Dan Murphy:Kristen and I, we work in Birmingham, Alabama.


Dr. Chad Woolner: All right, down in the south. Nice and hot during the summer.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah. Has she been on your show?


Dr. Chad Woolner: She has. Yeah.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah. She did a really, really good job. That was the first time that I’ve worked with her. I’ve known her for a long time, like maybe a decade or something like that. And she’s very smart. She’s very competent. And just, you know, kinda so I got to listen to her. Not totally, because we had flight. You know, I had a fly thing. And, but what I got to listen to was really, really good. She’s really hands on. She’s really smart. And so that was, that was a lot of fun. Yeah.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Awesome. Yeah. She’s great. We’ve known her for a while now. And yeah, very, very sharp. She’s got a really pretty diverse background. So it’s been fun, fun chatting with her. And so no doubt that was an awesome seminar.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah, yeah, it was really good.


Dr. Andrew Wells: I can say that was kind of like a bucket list thing for her. She’s, you’ve been a big influence on her. So she was really excited and also really nervous to lecture with you. And I think, yeah, I think that was a weekend that she won’t forget.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, no doubt.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah, I’m very non-judgmental. She really came up to the plate, she did a really, really good job. You know, she’s just the next generation. I mean, someone’s kinda keep moving forward. And I think that she’s as good or better than anyone that I’ve seen out there. So I think the future holds that we will all be seeing a lot more of Kristen. I think.


Dr. Chad Woolner: That’s awesome. I think that’s kind of a really good segue into some thoughts that I had that I wanted to ask you about. You know, when we talk about low-level laser therapy, at this stage of the game, I think the preeminent mechanism of action that most everybody is in agreement with is, you know, the fact that specific wavelengths of light stimulate the mitochondria that helps to output you know, more efficiency in terms of ATP synthesis and production. But I wanted to explore and maybe pick your brain as to what you think the future holds in terms of alternative mechanisms of action that seem to be also at play that studies are starting to kind of reveal. You know, we’ve been hearing a little bit more about this topic of photo biometrics and low-level laser therapy, stimulating the microbiome and the influence of that. We’re hearing some in terms of talks of light stimulating microtubules, and maybe this kind of idea of, you know, light acting upon the body in such a way that it’s almost like a fiber optic network and things like that. What are your thoughts in terms of some of these alternative theories? Where do you think things are going? What does the future hold? In your opinion?


Dr. Dan Murphy: I think those things that you just shared, have been around for a very long time. I remember 20 years ago, hearing Jeff Spencer talk about all of that, and I thought it was pretty fascinating. Of course, when you talk about the microbiome, what immediately comes to mind is the realization that a human is more microbial than human? When you look at how many cells are human cells with human DNA, and how many cells are microbial with microbial DNA, they win the means the microbes win. And when you use lasers on any salary, what is a microbe? What is a bacteria? If you read evolutionary biology, which I’m a fan of, I think that that’s synonymous with chiropractic innate intelligence. When you read evolutionary biology, it is routinely claimed that there is a symbiotic relationship between a human and a microbe that is now we call it the mitochondria. And that there’s really, in terms of genetics, no difference between a mitochondria and a bacteria. So being able to influence the microbiome, that’s not surprising at all. I mean, it is probably a really important thing. I think that we’re it gets to be increasingly fun, though, is the realization that there are now brand new studies that I’ve been shown in my classes that are top tier journals, credible studies that are claiming that there are free floating mitochondria in our bloodstream, that they’re, they’re actually the same genetics, the same nucleotide base sequences, the same expression to proteins as our mitochondrial DNA. So they look at him as a free floating microbe, but a free floating mitochondria. And you can influence those with lasers, just like you’re talking about the whole thing on the electron transport chain, and your ability to influence it with different waveforms. There, you should know that if there’s anything I see weird in that regard, there are increasing status that are claiming that lasers are probably working at a quantum biological level, which is really heavy duty stuff. But what they have the ability to do is to breed animals that don’t have cytochrome c oxidase, let’s say, so they don’t have that protein, they don’t have that ability. So in yet they could put lasers on him. And notice incredible changes in the production of adenosine triphosphate. So how do you explain that? Well, the relevance of all of that just kind of wrapping it all around, is that the current explanations are good, they’re accurate, but they are without a doubt, incomplete. Sure. Forward, you’re gonna get more and more of these quantum biological explanations, into just sort of going that direction is a pretty important direction, the different waveforms. But what I think is even funnier, though, is that in chiropractic, there’s this thing called the 10 Synchronous matrix. And that is an interconnection of all of the tissues of our body through a matrix. And it’s a big deal. I mean, there’s great studies and books on it. I remember the one that influenced me was there’s one out of the animals of medicine by a pediatrician out of Harvard named Donald Enberg, and it’s it’s it’s an article titled mechanical transduction and mechanical biology. And essentially, what it says is that there is a matrix that is separate from our genetics. That is a whole body communication network, outside of the nervous system. And that I heard Jeff Spencer way back 20 years ago, talking about a guy named Joe Jones out of UC Irvine, and how you could influence the network with light almost anywhere. And he would go over studies on how they could register changes in brain physiology by sticking the laser on the toe. And they would happen so quickly, that it was quicker than the nervous system could do it. And so their explanation is something through the 10 segments matrix. I think that stuff is exceptionally fascinating. And things that we’ll see more and more of as time goes on. But the way you started this small talk today, you kind of said what is new in my world, and I had something that was really relevant. And that is when I did my 50th high school reunion. I’m thinking okay, well, and in high school, I was kind of a nobody. I I mean, I was on the football team I ran track. But really, no one knew my name. I think I got the golden Splinter award for the football team. And I spend more time on the bench than any. But we do the 50 year thing. And my high school is very exceptional, like 99% go to college. It is a college prep school. And I did the 50 year reunion. And all of a sudden, I, who was a middle backer, ended up being, as far as I can tell, number one, in both physical and mental abilities. And I attribute that, in large part to that 22 years ago, we developed a laser brain protocol, because you could start seeing studies that say, yeah, you can use the laser to treat Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s and amo, trophic lateral sclerosis and traumatic brain injury and stroke, all true. But if you look at those articles critically, they say, you can use them for cognitive enhancement, than that for cognitive enhancement. That’s a really big deal. And that if you’re looking at our country, our world, but look at our country, and the profits of our country are saying, our country is doomed because of one illness. And that is dementia. Dementia is swallowing our country, it’s happening to more and more of our citizens at a younger and younger age, which means that our brain is dying, but their body is so a lot. So you take care of them. Studies that came out of around review as much as you know, in 2015. So did that back eight years ago, they started to figure out that once you are diagnosed with dementia, and you need ongoing care for the rest of your life care, it’s 10 years, and the average care is 100 grand a year. Well, that’s a million bucks a person, they realize that by the time I hit 85, that there will be 15 million Americans officially diagnosed with just one form of dementia. And that’s going to be and that’s Alzheimer’s. And let’s say you take 15 million you multiply by 100 grand, that’s $1.5 trillion. Nope, society can sustain that. And so they keep looking at it saying, Well, you know, we need better drugs, and they got the new drugs that are just under 30 grand a year that they want you to take. No society could pay for that it’s impossible, it will break every healthcare system out there. And so they’re looking at, you know, so when read review did the thing, I wrote a letter to the editor and say, Hey, if you guys are so misguided, I’m going to do this, these numbers. And your conclusion is, we’re going to need a lot more money. I go, if we gave you all the money, it’s not enough. The only solution is you have to figure out how to prevent it. And so it’s multifactorial, but one of the things that I’ve been seeing in the studies for 20 years, is that if you figure out how to do the laser protocols, you never would do it with a high powered laser, because it’s probably contraindicated, even dangerous. We use low level laser therapy, we know exactly where to put it. We know exactly how long to put it. We know exactly what the blinks for example, I just class also with Trevor Barrett, and you know, brilliant neurodevelopment is probably going on as well. And both of us independently found studies that say if it’s Alzheimer’s, the blinks, the pulses have to be exactly 40 persons per second, which we can do our lasers, we can dial in 40, we found another one that says if you do exactly 10 blinks per second, and that’s so we can dial out one so we can dial in four. So there’s do the four and then Trevor says you should use 60 and never number one, Michelle who my business partner, my rents my office, Michelle does number one and number 528 Because that influences the production of serotonin, which is the neurotransmitter for love and, and and happiness, that just kind of putting all these things together. So what our attitude is in our preaching is that you have to make it with an analogy of flossing your teeth. If you floss your teeth once a week, it’s probably not going to do that much benefit. And but the goal for flossing teeth and brushing teeth is you do it every day. And so we made a commitment to do our protocols every day. And we do the protocols every day for over 20 years now. And the result is just amazing ability. Instead of watching the kids I went to high So with watching their cognitive decline, there, you look at someone who was a middle of a packer and has cognitively gone up, and I would just commit to it. And here I am now at 68. And we are rocking it, we haven’t peaked every day, I’m smarter, I understand things better, things are more clear to me. I can throw up more things and juggle them in my brain without dropping any of them. And then I keep thinking, Whoa, there’s something really to this, they’re gonna figure it out, they’re gonna figure it out that this is a really big deal. If there’s anything else new, you expect that I really just go crazy, is that this weekend, I, I get to do a four hour laser presentation. So it’s on. It’s a remote, it’s on the computer that’s going to read through it. And I’ve just been, you know, for our presentation, I have just spent probably 40 hours putting together a four hour talk. The thing that struck me more than anything else is if you look at last Thursday’s USA Today newspaper front page, there’s an article saying we have created the human end game, creating human endgame is reiterated in these two books. If you’ve ever read the coming plague by Harvard microbiologist Laurie Garrett. If you’ve ever read the elegant defense, the extraordinary new science of the immune system, they are claiming that we have killed ourselves. And we don’t know how antibiotics there are so many resistant strains. I mean, just this is one of the things that they quickly point out this week, this week, they’ve quickly point out that, you know, COVID, globally in three years has killed round it, but very close, 7 million humans gone. Antibiotic resistance globally kills 5 million every year. Three years COVID knocks out 7 million Antibiotic resistance is knocking out 5 million every year. And they say is on a pace that’s going up like a space shuttle. And so what we’re looking at is, what are alternatives to that, I’m telling you with authority, anyone that can do a live search can figure this out. It’s laser lights. And the one that gets the greatest press is gotta be the violet. And so just just Google just Google, just go to PubMed, anti microbial blue light, you’ll see that most of the waveforms use 405, if you’re to the right longer than 400 is non mutagenic. But if you go both below 400, like ultraviolet and X rays and gamma rays, there’s a downside to it. Yeah, I have the studies where they completely knock out COVID with 222 or 258 nanometers, but they’re mutagenic. So you can use them on people or kids or pets. But you could use a 405 there is no downside. And there’s only good side. And they are used almost zero ability to create microbial resistance. And they also work on bacteria, fungus, parasites and viruses. While you look at the problems, they see what some of the biggest problems they have with anti biotic resistance is that they keep giving antibiotics to people that have viruses. They don’t work on viruses. But lasers do but antibiotics don’t. But when you use them inappropriately like that, you just accelerate the evolution of the pathogens, they are so much stronger today as compared to, to less than 100 years ago when antibiotics became commercially available. I think that in the future besides the dementia thing in the cognitive enhancement, which I’m really into, we’re gonna see more and more stuff about microbes. And you and I, we’ve already talked a little bit about the microbiome, and some things that they’re finding that you can you’re changing the pathogens without knocking out the beneficial guys, this is really critically important. There’s a lot of really good things that are kind of going on. And I think also historically, even as we’re looking at, you know, I see the background of the laser lightshow. And you have all these red beams going around that the people that are hardcore readers, like I think the team teachers that are Konya and a lot of their researchers back at the home office, they start to realize as great as the red beam is, the red beam is critically important. But there are other beams that are synergistic. And that’s the green and that’s the violet. And the fact that we now do this thing we learned actually from Trevor Barrett. We do this thing called stacking, where we everyone has their red so we put our red and the on whatever we’re doing. And now we have a stand we put on our violet green, and put it on top of it. And I’m looking at some of the stuff that Michelle Michelle says most of the patients, I see what she’s doing clinically, it is just like whoa, I mean stuff that is just flat out miraculous. I mean, like, every week, every day, almost these guys the the genius of understanding that the key to everything appears to be the mitochondria. The mitochondria are the biological epicenter of aging, one is only as young or as old as their mitochondria is. And there are things that you can do. What is the common link between high intensity interval training between intermittent fasting between taking a handful of supplements like acetyl, l carnitine, and alpha lipoic acid and your magnesium, and alasia. They all target the mitochondria. So we do all of these things, we target this and the fact that lasers will probably increasingly grab the lion’s share a physiological benefit from all of these different approaches. So it’s really an exciting time. It’s stuff I wish I would have known when I started practice 45 years ago, I did. But now it’s you get going on these things. It is literally impossible to practice without a laser. What would you do? Are you kind of freeze up you know what to do. I mean, you you do your chiropractic and your exercise, nutrition, all great. But it’s like when you have people that are really messed up like, Well, what do you do with someone’s Parkinson’s disease? I mean, what do you do? Why is Michelle, she just stacks up and does this, and we watch the outcome? What do you do when a parent says I’ve got a child who has an an in utero stroke? Her official diagnosis, cerebral palsy, she is three she doesn’t speak and she doesn’t move. She’s a mobile and a physic. And within nine days, she’s doing both moving and talking anything. Okay, well, what the heck, how come this isn’t the front page news. I just have I’ve shared with classes now. In fact, I did a Christmas cost. Some chiropractor from Tennessee writes me an email. It’s always to be in Michelle, mostly Michelle, because I get too many emails. And this morning I looked at it was fine to try to find this link. And I have over 16,000 emails, I’m supposed to process none of it jump. But this chiropractor is in Tennessee. And he writes, a letter goes, Listen, my dad had a stroke up in Wisconsin. And he says it was really going bad. He was completely gone. They put them in hospice for end of care. And for end of life care. And he goes, You know, I drove from Tennessee up to Wisconsin, which was to say my final goodbyes to my father. And he brought my laser with me. And I showed mom out of use it. I showed her the spots where we put it positively. He goes it was nothing but improvement. From that moment on he goes, he’s completely out of the woods. He’s home and the doctors are baffled. That’s because all of their education is about pharmacology. And you get things that are non pharmacologic based even though they are physiologically sound, you hardly hear anything about it, because it competes with pharmacology and pharmacology. If you ever read the book, sickening by John Abramson from Harvard added last year, he says the whole show is controlled by pharmaceuticals including politics. He says they know, they control everything. He says in the book, How to Harvard last year that they give every elected politician $450,000 a year, where you can pretty much count on their vote on anything you want to do, including mandating take our drugs or whatever, make our drug, the standard of care, and anyone doesn’t do it. It’s outside the standard. And yet, you read about I just put another article in my article review servers, it got this article reviews tears on staff in pharmacology. It’s a crime, what they’re getting away with, if you look at the differences between the relative and the absolute risk, it’s an actual absolute crime. But it has become the standard of care because of the power of the pharmaceutical purse. And yet, there’s so many things that are not pharmacologically basic and help people. And so we’re just totally in them. That’s, you know, that’s kind of the chiropractic profession, and we’re kind of the leaders of all of that stuff. So it just seems like a natural amalgamation, that chiropractic healthcare providers would get involved in the cutting edge technology of low level laser therapy. Yeah, for sure. Really fast.


Dr. Chad Woolner: So no, that was amazing. I want to circle back on kind of one idea there. And curious, you know, we’ve talked about this idea of free-floating mitochondria. Is there any idea as to the prevalence or the amount? I mean, is there a high percentage, low percentage, what do you know about that?


Dr. Dan Murphy: I don’t know very much, to be honest. I mean, I’m looking because I think it’s a really good question and a relevant question, but what kind of gets me into it? It goes back to kind of this stuff you talked about, about the microtubules and the 10 segments matrix, which are the words that I use. If you look at some of the laser studies, they will take animals and they will injure them bilaterally. So my injury, and the injury can be either a cut, scalpel, or a burn, or a crush. And then they take the animals, and they randomly divide them into two groups, one group gets nothing. The other group, they laced them. And as expected, didn’t matter the type of injury, the laced group significantly heals better than the controls. And the thing, and yeah, that makes sense. But this is what caught them off guard. The wounds were inflicted bilaterally; they only raised one arm, non-laser arm significantly out healed the controls. So you right away, go, Okay, what’s the depth of penetration? Zero? There was no penetration; it wasn’t even laser? How can you explain that? Well, they would explain it saying well, you’re changing the communication to the 10-second or to Integritas matrix, or you’re changing things in the blood, or the lymphatics or something, and it kind of goes systemic. Well, now they’re gonna realize you are hitting these free-floating mitochondria and changing their ability to do all kinds of stuff. And every time the heart beats true, these guys just scattered around; you’re putting it, there’s a certain percent, it is probably different on everybody in but whatever it is, something is happening that heals the other side. And I keep thinking this concept of the free-floating mitochondria is quite new, but I think very relevant. And therefore, I think the answer to your question is, it is probably at the moment unknown. Yeah, it does. It won’t be known in the next five years, but it’s probably unknown right now. But it seems like it’s at a physiological quantity that it is relevant in health issues and in laser therapy and everything else you do to help the mitochondria. I mean, your supplements, your intermittent fasting, the interval training, all the things that we would kind of do on top of our chiropractic would.


Dr. Chad Woolner: And I would have to think, too, that if there’s an evolutionary connection between microbe the microbiome and bacteria and the mitochondria, there’s got to be a similar mechanism of action on the microbiome, right? In terms of that sort of influence and or connection. And that would make total sense if whatever it is five times 10 times more, not us in terms of, you know, I was, it’s funny, it’s funny, you said that because we were at the I was at the Oregon coast this weekend, visiting my parents. And we were talking about a conversation that our good friend, Dr. Isaac Jones had with Dr. Joseph Mercola; they were swimming at the beach some time ago, and they got out, and Isaac went and took a shower and was going to go shower at the beach. You know, they have outside their the showers and Dr. Mercola is like, what are you doing? And he’s like, showering off, and he says, No, you’re gonna rinse off all the good microbes that you’ve got from the ocean; he’s like, keep those on you as long as you can. And he’s like, Oh, that kind of makes sense, actually, you know. And, and so for me, I’m thinking, you know, if there’s that evolutionary connection, no doubt, that’s playing a role. There’s got to be some sort of a similar mechanism of action when they talk about the influence on the microbiome there if there’s that mitochondrial connection there.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah, undoubtedly the in. That’s why, you know, when COVID hit 2020, it didn’t take long for studies to start to pop up looking at lasers for COVID. And there I am. Class Notes have big sections, a lot of studies on it. But what I found was pretty much short-sighted for the author’s coming out of San Diego State and Marquette University and stuff. They would advocate putting it on the face to make sure you cover the nose and the mouth, the chest because it’s a respiratory virus. And that would be it. And I’m thinking, Whoa, I think that’s very short-sighted because immunity is primarily in the gut . Let’s just take the same protocol. So I got COVID I mean, I don’t want COVID I got COVID. Now that I got COVID, I don’t want to get better, and I want to be a long haul. And I don’t want to give it to anybody. So I isolated myself. I have my protocols. I did face. I did chest, and I did get and you know, my recovery was had absolutely you know, phenomenal. the first day I was for the 10 second day I was to edit 1030. I was one out of 1040. I was completely normal in every way. I mean every measure of my illness was gone. I continue to isolate because that was To the protocols do isolate, make sure you might be still infectious be with somebody. But when I took class with Trevor Barry, again, his emphasis on he also emphasizes doing the gut. Because not only is the gut, you know where the microbiome is, the gut is the vagus nerve. And so the vagus nerve goes to the nucleus tractus solitarius, which you can get to with chiropractic adjustments. If you read the studies at the elite university, by Ian Edwards and colleagues, but if you read Stephen Gundry, he’s the guy there with the plant paradox book and he’s read three books since then. Then he says the vagus nerve is both motor and sensory, the vagus nerve sensory is nine to efferent. So our Ferrant is nine different ones. So the key is AF Ferrant. And that is gut. And so doing the gut, you’re sending all of this stuff up into the brainstem, specifically to a spot called the nucleus tractus solitarius. Which if you read the art, the writings by Kevin Tracy’s a neurosurgeon out of New York, if you read the stuff that he says, that’s the quarterback for Neuro immunology, and so the fact that you can you get all of these other really cool loops, if you do the gut, which is targeting the microbiome, and the vagus nerve, but it’s there’s so much overlap with our free-floating mitochondria and the mitochondria that in every one of our cells, all of ourselves have have hundreds, maybe even 1000s of copies of mitochondria, each mitochondria has hundreds of copies of mitochondrial DNA. And then you look at all of the electron transport proteins, there’s so much stuff that we are influencing when, when with our therapeutic applications of light. And now the understanding that we, you got you got, you know, really for you ignored the fifth electron transport protein for and the fact that they now got it figured out how you can influence these four guys, which are the key, these are the guys where the hydrogen has to go up, and then five has really come back down. So the key is getting them up. And so you got violet, Violet, green, red. And so the stacking that we now do is just really, really quite awesome. And so a lot of times, it’s just not just for our patients, but apart for ourselves. Seeing how long we can keep our brains functioning at a very, very high level. I heard President Biden made a joke. Last week, it was the course tape about how he’s now joking about his own dementia. I saw that I saw that just this morning was pretty interesting, But I can forget, that’s actually not funny. But number two, that he’s now much older than me. And I’m wondering, okay, when I hit 80, will I be like that? Or will I be more like I am like this? Or will I be even better, my goal is to be even better. I think it’s just paying the price you just do the protocols just follow through, do what you’re supposed to do. And that’s kind of our practice, our life, and how we coach our patients and my students at the class. You know, faculty at the chiropractic college, I just was the commencement speaker at the last graduation at life West. This week, the biggest thing that is likewise every year is the wave. And it was this week. And so I was the opening speaker. The way that I did is really outstandingly awesome stuff. I posted my talk to my web page, and anyone can go pull it off; it only be out there for the month of August. But if you pull the wave notes, they are grand slam home runs. They’re the best thing I’ve ever done. Awesome.


Dr. Chad Woolner: We’ll make sure to post that there. Oh, that’s amazing. Andrew.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Andrew’s been very quiet.


Dr. Andrew Wells: I want to circle back. Well, when you’re interviewing Dr. Murphy, it’s better to be a listener than a speaker. I think. I want to I wanted to loop back to something you said that laser affects bacteria in it. It only affects it gets rid of bad bacteria but maintains good bacteria. How does it How does the body differentiate between you know killing off bad stuff and keeping good stuff? How does that? You know, I actually had this question from a doctor she she mentioned that she doesn’t want to tinker at all with her, her children gut health because they’ve never had antibiotics and they’re they’re in their teens, I think early 20s. And so she’s like I don’t want to give like a digestive support supplement protocol or like a laser protocol because I don’t want to affect what’s what’s there in a bad way. How does the laser differentiator as the body differentiate using laser for good or for building up the good and killing off the bad?


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah, you know, interesting that question came up to Kristen there during our class together a couple of weeks ago, and she and she started to show the stage at that point, this is really good, it was probably the reason I was meant to be in her classroom is that there’s a difference between aerobic and anaerobic microbes. And the any the anaerobic ones are the pathogenic ones. And that those are the ones that are influenced by the laser, while the the beneficial ones are not. And it has to do therefore with their utilization of oxygen, that what lasers are doing is there unblocking the flow of the electron transport abilities to use oxygen. And that only is relevant in certain microbes and not in other microbes. That that was the explanation that she gave it, I thought my has a pretty good explanation. I liked it a lot. The when you when you put articles on it, because in class, I go through, you know, maybe a dozen or so something like that, you just kind of run out of time, or you can do, but they clearly point out that one, they’re only knocking out the pathogens to that they are not creating resistance, like a laser low resistance, and that it is not influencing the beneficial. And so you kind of looked at those guys and Christians explanations about aerobic versus anaerobic. I thought that was a pretty good explanation. So I liked it a lot. And I thought, yeah, that’s probably as good as explanations I’ve heard anywhere.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, that’s fascinating. Yeah, yeah, I would say to, I think it would have to be inherently connected to just the simple fact that our biology is such that we’re light driven beings, evolutionarily speaking, right? That sunlight itself carries with it all these specific wavelengths that positively influence the body, the microbiome, and we’re killing off certain things. And so no doubt we’ve evolved to respond appropriately to light itself. Right. It’s, it’s so it’s so inherently fundamental, as opposed to, you know, antibiotics are a relatively new intervention. And so no doubt, it’s not necessarily a natural thing. You know, that’s my guess, too.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Exactly. And again, you with evolutionary biology, talking about human evolution, and about, if you, if you ever that book, why we sleep by Matthew Walker in 2017, at UC Berkeley, he talks about that you should be careful, even with light and his negativity is blue, back lit devices, after dusk, can have some negative influences because of the way that we evolved with a special sensitivity to blue because of the blueness of the sky, and the blueness of the water, and how the blue then drives the super charismatic nucleus production of chemistry that goes to the pineal gland and the production of melatonin. If there’s anything that has come out in a positive way, in the COVID thing, is that the value of melatonin to, to to inhibit the adverse effects of this of the cytokine storm of COVID-19. And so, we our protocols have evolved to the point that we no longer use the violent after dusk. We use it during the day. And that’s kind of a pity that we learn from from Matthew Walker’s book. But it’s all just like you said, it’s all this, this evolutionary biological stuff. And so there’s quite a bit written on that too. So we kind of integrate that into our clinical approaches as well. And all of the different waveforms that are that are in in the sun that comes from the sun. And I think if anyone knows this more than anyone else, I would credit Joe Mercola. I met recall a couple times and I shook his hand I got his business card. I’ve emailed him once or twice, but he talks a lot about the value of Sun other than vitamin D, that so much other things that you can get with the exposures to all of the waveforms. As clinicians, therapeutically though we can isolate the waveform and concentrate them that’s what laser is, it is monochromatic and coherent. And then you realize that the key to everything is again, the mitochondria and the electron transport chain. The fact that there’s only four molecules, and you can target them with violet, green, and red. And it’s just seems like that’s the cat’s meow. Because you get into the sun, you have infrared. And, as well, and there are some some increasing issues that I see in the literature on infrared, and some of the things that it can do. And then you look at some of the manmade waveforms, you know, that are part of your 4g, and your five G’s, and your microwave and your radar, in your driverless vehicle and stuff like that. All of these things have a biological applications that are often deleterious. We kind of become aware of those things. And we keep coming back to the same central theme, it seems that the waveforms that tend to be most relevant for help are those that are in the within the visible spectrum. Yeah, so we’re staying in the visible spectrum and being cautious with things outside the visible spectrum. I do look at the value of infrared. But increasingly, I’m seeing studies saying that near infrared, is superior to far infrared. Because far infrared can open the voltage gated calcium ion channel, calcium can rush in create free radicals and accelerate the demise of the cell. And when it dies, it’s called excitotoxicity. If you ever read a book by Russell Blaylock play lock called excitotoxin. City as it kills. He does it from a dietary perspective. But increasingly, if you read that guy, Martin Paul, I think I grabbed Paul there. If you read this guy, man, he is the God I just put yet another brand new article


Dr. Chad Woolner: Unexplained illnesses


Dr. Dan Murphy: Unexplained illnesses by an emeritus professor of biology. From Washington State University was Martin ball. I just put together my laser class and a new study by this guy on Alzheimer’s and his pitches in he’s very cautious about when you do things that over release nitric oxide because too much leisure can over release nitric oxide, that the nitric oxide will couple up with the superoxide free radical making a molecule called paradox and nitrate. He says almost all of these crazy illnesses that are afflicting society, are linked to parry oxy nitrate. And I got, like I say a brand new study on this. He goes over 18 different explanations on the the drivers of Alzheimer’s as being related to the electromagnetic field. But it’s all longer wavelengths, ones that ones that are artificially made here on planet Earth, mostly for technology. And if you ever want to have an interesting moment, just Google a Havana have on Cuba. Just just Google that Yeah, going on. And I’m telling you increasingly, I’m seeing things that are saying this appears to be espionage. And it’s espionage to try to steal data. But their targeting is not that precise. Anyone within a certain radius of the data that are trying to lift this stuff off up, they get exposed to these pulsed electromagnetic fields. And it’s giving the person being exposed all of the signs and symptoms of a traumatic brain injury without the trauma. What is the difference? What is the commonality, both traumatic brain injury and these devices have the ability to open the voltage gated calcium ion channel. If you read Stephanie senex book from 2021 on glyphosate, she makes a compelling argument that all of our food that is glyphosate, it was about all of it these days, that glyphosate is a key later of magnesium, that magnesium is in the soil. So if you eat the crop that came from the from that land, you don’t get magnesium, if you feed a crop to animal eat animal, you similarly don’t get the magnesium. And the result is the protector against the adverse pneus of the opening of the voltage gated calcium ion channel. The calcium influx is magnesium because it plugs up the channel. And we’re all magnesium deficient. If you read that article by Bruce Ames, who’s now like 94 years of age, longevity guy who was actually you know, old because he had a lot of longevity experts in a young like David’s they’re involved are younger. They’re in their 50s. He says in his article from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in October of 2018 that the number one mineral deficiency of the human experience now is magnesium. And then you read all the magnesium experts like Carolyn Dean and Mildred say Lake and Morley Robbins. They all say the same steps as our Meghan. Nizam is way low, which gives us a vulnerability to the adversity of these electromagnetic fields, because we open the voltage gated calcium ion channel, and we don’t have the magnesium to to protect us, if you read the typical great epigenetic methylator, ami Yasko. And in her book, under a second book, she says, essentially, glutamate is the gun. Calcium is the bullet that kills the neurons. And the bulletproof vest would be magnesium. So we got more, we have more guns, we have more bullets, we have less bulletproof vests, this is a disaster. What we want to do is to avoid the guns avoidable, let’s get more bullet proof. So we do the nutrition thing. We say, Hey, uh, Nate, biology requires magnesium for these reasons. And we try to protect plus, the lasers work because they have the adenosine triphosphate. But if you read all the hardcore, just go all the way back to tuzo. To read it read Mildred see like the energy in adenosine triphosphate is not accessible if you’re a magnesium deficient, and er. So you’ve got to get that magnesium. So you get hardcore world leaders on magnesium like Morley Robbins, who I’ve had dinner with, I don’t know, maybe 12 times I like I think the smartest guy No, he’s adamant that no one calls it ATP unless you’re kind of a rookie. He says it’s called magnesium ATP, mg ATP, mg das ATP because without magnesium, you can’t get the energy out and last phosphate to phosphate bond. So we dovetail that and we ramp up the energy with our lasers that are exercise in our diets and all these other things. But we got to make sure that they have the magnesium. And they all kind of give you the same number. The only test that matters is red blood cell magnesium levels, and it needs to be 6.5 milligrams per deciliter. So that we do those tests, just kind of check it out on people and you realize people are really magnesium deficient. And that they pretty much say yeah, everyone’s gotta get the magnesium to a certain level. So that everything sort of balances out. So whatever, you know, just


Dr. Chad Woolner: I first want to point out that you referred to lasers as the cat’s meow. I think that’s a first on this show, which I think is amazing.


Dr. Dan Murphy: I’m just on autopilot; I don’t even remember.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I thought that was awesome. Man, this is, you know, I think I seem to recall the last time we’re gonna have, like, quite the bibliography in the notes. Books you’ve given us at least six or seven, if not more, really, really good references in terms of books to check out. So I know that we’re going to be, I see an Andrew here taking notes all those, so this will be really, really good. I’m excited because I think, I think those books so yeah, there you go.


Dr. Dan Murphy: You know, they’re up on top and below that I just kind of pulled out that I thought, you know, depending on where talk goes that we might talk about Yeah, I’m a bookworm. I like reading books. It’s kind of like my fun. And I was here pretty late last night at about nine o’clock in the office. And then it’s, you know, it’s pretty early here at six 6 am is when we started this Yeah. So just you know, that all of these books because each of these books in and of themselves is another story that could go, you know, 30 minutes. And they’re all probably just floated Appalachia that I think are, are pretty fun. I think this one is exceptionally boring; it’s really tough. You really go whoa, but it’s kind of boring. The hardest book I’ve ever read is the coming plague by Laurie Garrett. You read this; you they, oh my god, a lot easier to read and elegant offense but you know there’s so many other really cool things. I might my favorite thing is just talking cancer and the relationship between the electron transport chain and cancer that is to me the most awesome thing ever. The two books that I just really are taken off on are these guys. You have Sam Apple’s book on Otto Warburg, you know, you read this guy


Dr. Chad Woolner: Ravenous, is that the name?


Dr. Dan Murphy: Ravenous by Sam Apple. And if you read this one, I think I learned more about how lenses work reading a book on a chemical called methylene blue. The Ultimate Guide came out in 2021. And I, you know, I kind of look at these guys, I think whoa, but they are sending around the cancer thing, and I’m trying to figure out okay, what’s going on with that? Only in that my mom when she was 44 and diagnosed with cancer. She primarily did the work of Otto Warburg and you her providers told her that she would not see her 45th birthday and yet she lived 26 years died of cancer. So she did whatever they did did not cure her but it prolonged her life. And just kind of understanding how to do that in the physiology like this book, ravenous Otto Warburg the Nazis and the search for the cancer diet connection. It’s all the mitochondria; he discovered the mitochondria. He discovered cytochrome c, you know, cytochrome c oxidase, that’s his discovery complex for, and he’s the one that started to take the lights from Albert Einstein because there’s the Germans in Germany at the same time to get to 1931 Nobel Prizes, and they did 26 Nobel Prize, Einstein got the 1921 Nobel Prize. But Einstein is a theoretical physicist, not a biologist. So the person that took what Einstein is doing and started to make biological applications was this guy, Otto Warburg. So you read this, and you see how then that gets mentioned in this guy’s book. And then the coolest book I’ve ever read really difficult is transformer by Nick lane. You read this, and you look at your section on Otto Warburg and the electron transport chain. And how you can move the electrons, you start putting all this together and you realize, whoa, this is exciting times. And we’re on the cutting edge of something that’s really, really great. Cat’s Meow. It’s really an exciting time to, to kind of be involved in all of this. You just, You just sad as you get old like me sixth day now, that shouldn’t have another 60 years. Because it just seems so exciting. You know that? What will it mean for your kids? I mean, both my kids have their own lasers. Neither are chiropractors; you know, one crunches numbers for Warren Buffett, the others are getting our teacher thinking well,


Dr. Chad Woolner: That’s amazing. Well, Dr. Murphy, we certainly appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to be here with us. I think we’ve gotten a ton of really, really valuable and exciting insights in terms of a lot of the cutting-edge stuff. What have you got coming up future-wise in terms of talks seminars? Where will you be for Docs to connect with you?


Dr. Dan Murphy: Well, I, I if you go to the webpage, Dan Murphydc.com. There’s a schedule there. I literally work every weekend. That’s that’s not an exaggeration, you know, 50 classes here. The most I’ve ever done is 64. This weekend coming up, it’s remote. So I’m doing a class remote is class on laser. And I just updated the notes as soon as you get to nine o’clock last night because I got to see the bodies and whatever and then put together stuff after that. So I stayed really late got it together; it is really good to me the best stuff I’ve ever put together. I’m going to amalgamate the 2021 Nobel Prize, and some of the changes and you see how these changes are all centered around the mitochondria. And it’s it’s some of the greatest stuff I think I’ve ever put together. And because of my background, I’m able to see it and figure out how it all fits in. And so I’ll be doing that starting this weekend. And then I’m all over. I’m doing like every weekend; I’m somewhere. Sometimes I’m by myself; sometimes I’m with other people. I do a lot of convention. So I’m all over if anybody ever wants to know, just look at my my web page. And then of course, I have the article review thing. The article that I wrote this week is another brand new article on how if you’ve been thinking that Tylenol is okay for your kids, you have a view of been misled. It is not true. In fact, it is worse than not true. It is a boldface lie. You look at the studies on this. I just finished a big review of an article on that. And it’s being proved right now; my youngest daughter proves it. When people see these things. Plus, I’m going to show them two new brand new studies on strokes and how they’re not related to adjustments; two brand new studies came out in 2003. And I found another study that if you have if you can predict the weather because your joints get different or whatever you’re sensitive to barometric weather changes, how that is indicative that you have scar tissue in so that we would target those areas and break them down. One of the greatest things of lasers is his ability to help the great scar tissue, and that is the study that came out of the University of Illinois in 2016. On on kidney fibrosis, I mean really awesome stuff. Other than that study, they use green, violet, and red lasers, all of them interestingly made by Erchonia. Pretty interesting.


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Dr. Chad Woolner: Great. No, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. We’ll make sure that we have links in the notes to everything so that Doc’s can connect with that. So thank you for sharing that. Andrew, any any final thoughts?


Dr. Andrew Wells: My final thought was, it’s been too long since we’ve had you on the show. We had you early on when we first launched the podcast and I’m realizing now like what a mistake we made not having you on more times because I know number one year crowd favorite. And, you know, we chat in the chat and I very much hold you out. It’s like, you’re one of our kind of icons. And so we didn’t want to overuse Dr. Dan Murphy, but we would love to have you on again more often. For sure.


Dr. Dan Murphy: Yeah. And you say, Hey, you Jake is taking time out of my day, I didn’t take any time out of my day. So that it’s the only time I have Almighty starts my day solid. It’s so I’ve got to I gotta get your yesterday was college day, you know, we start college, you know, it’s five hours straight through. And then patients and then putting together notes and stuff. So when I do these things this early is because it does not interfere with my day. That’s the only way I can do and so I’m happy to do it.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Well, that’s awesome. And we appreciate you getting up early fourth. And that’s all we’ll say. So thank you. So it’s been a pleasure. And yeah, for sure. Let’s make sure that this is not the last interview, we’ll get you back on again, hopefully real soon. So I hope that this has been valuable for everybody listening and or watching. We certainly appreciate Dr. Murphy. And hopefully this has been eye opening for you and exciting to kind of start scratching a little bit more at the surface of what the future holds in terms of low-level laser therapy and some of the amazing things that that we’re starting to discover. So if you found this valuable and interesting, be sure to share this with others. And we’ll talk to you guys on the next episode. Have a good one. Thanks for listening to the laser light show. Be sure to subscribe and give us a review. If you’re interested in learning more about Erchonia lasers, just head on over to or Erchonia.com. There you’ll find a ton of useful resources, including research news and links to upcoming live events, as well as Erchonia E community where you can access for free additional resources, including advanced training and business tools. Again, thanks for listening and we will catch you on the next episode.


About The Guest(s):

With a distinguished career spanning over four decades, Dr. Murphy’s insights and expertise have significantly impacted the chiropractic profession and the realm of health and wellness.

A magna cum laude graduate of Western States Chiropractic College in 1978, Dr. Murphy’s journey has been marked by excellence from the very beginning. His dedication to advancing chiropractic knowledge led him to achieve his Diplomate in Chiropractic Orthopedics in 1986, laying the foundation for his exceptional contributions to the field.


Dr. Murphy’s passion for education is unparalleled. As a valued member of the post-graduate faculty at several chiropractic colleges, he has enriched the learning experiences of countless students. Moreover, his reach extends globally through the delivery of over 1,750 post-graduate continuing education seminars. These seminars have covered a wide array of topics, including spinal trauma, neuroimmunology, pediatrics, and beyond.


To find out more about Dr. Murphy or to find out when and where he’s speaking next, visit his website at: https://danmurphydc.com/

Key Takeaways:

One of Dr. Murphy’s central goals is to elevate the chiropractic profession through meticulous education in whiplash cases, personal injury management, and the scientific substantiation of the subluxation’s impact on structure and function mediated through the nervous system.


“They’re the best thing I’ve ever done. “ Dr. Dan Murphy

“One of the greatest things of lasers is his ability to help the great scar tissue, and that is the study that came out of the University of Illinois in 2016. On on kidney fibrosis, I mean really awesome stuff. Other than that study, they use green, violet, and red lasers, all of them interestingly made by Erchonia. Pretty interesting.” -Dr. Dan Murphy