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Episode #31: From NHS to Aesthetics & Wellness with Dr. Natalie Geary

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Dr. Chad Woolner: What’s going on everybody? Dr. Chad Woolner here, alongside Dr. Andrew Wells. In today’s episode of The Laser Light Show, we’re thrilled to be interviewing Dr. Natalie Geary, who joins us all the way from the UK. So, let’s dive in. 



Dr. Andrew Wells

Dr. Chad Woolner

Dr. Natalie Geary


Dr. Chad Woolner: Growing up in Portland, Oregon, I used to love going to laser light shows at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. They would put on these amazing light shows with incredible designs synced up to some of my favorite music. From the Beatles to Pink Floyd to Jimi Hendrix and Metallica; they were awesome. Little did I know then that lasers would have such a profound effect on my life decades later. As a chiropractic physician, I have seen first-hand just how powerful laser therapy is in helping patients struggling with a wide range of health problems. As the leader in laser therapy, Erchonia has pioneered the field in obtaining 20 of the 23 total FDA clearances for therapeutic application of lasers. On this podcast, we’ll explore the science and technology and physiology behind what makes these tools so powerful. Join me as we explore low level laser therapy. I’m Dr. Chad Woolner along with my good friend Dr. Andrew Wells and welcome to The Laser Light Show. 


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Dr. Chad Woolner: Alright, welcome to the show, everyone, and a huge welcome all the way from the UK, Dr. Natalie Geary. Thank you so much for being here with us.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Oh, thank you for inviting me. This is a big honor, and I’m very excited.


Dr. Chad Woolner: So tell us a little bit about yourself. This is what’s kind of fun about these podcasts; we sometimes get chatting before the podcast starts, capturing some of the magic of the initial introduction. This episode is one of those instances where we briefly met, talked for about 30 seconds, and shook hands in the hall. So, I don’t know anything about you yet. We’re going to capture that initial introduction now. Tell us who you are and a little bit about yourself.


Dr. Natalie Geary: So, I’m a doctor from the UK. Initially, my career plan was to join the NHS, our National Health Service. However, about two years in, I realized the NHS wasn’t the right fit for me. It was actually on my mother’s suggestion—though she had her own reasons—that I considered becoming a cosmetic doctor. And that’s exactly what I did. For the past 15 years, I’ve specialized in Botox, fillers, and other injectables, while also growing a business around it. More recently, I’ve felt a strong desire to expand my professional focus towards health and wellness, an area I’m genuinely passionate about. I was always searching for a way to evolve into the doctor I aspired to be. That search led me to the world of Erchonia and laser treatments.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Fantastic. Just curious, what about the NHS? Did you not enjoy pursuing your career?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Well, Dr. Andrew, that’s a whole other podcast. But I think briefly, the culture didn’t suit me. It wasn’t very nurturing, and it probably still isn’t. I found it quite bullying, and I just felt like a fish out of water. I knew I needed something more and probably more support. I didn’t feel like there was any, so it just didn’t bode well for me. There are parts of the NHS that are amazing, so I’m not criticizing our amazing NHS. But trying to be a cog in that enormous machine just didn’t sit well with me. Yeah.


Dr. Chad Woolner: So, if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re looking for a bit more autonomy and freedom to do things your way. Is that correct? Would that be fair to say? Yeah,


Dr. Natalie Geary: I think it’s obvious that I’ve embarked on the entrepreneur’s journey, which isn’t for everyone, but it suits me. Fundamentally, I could see aspects of the NHS that troubled me greatly—there’s a lot of inefficiency and waste, which is common in any large corporation. That bothered me deeply. It reached a point where I realized I just couldn’t work in that environment.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, it’s got to be somewhat of a double-edged sword. It’s scary in a situation where you’re leaping out into the private sector, especially when you’ve got this massive kind of net or umbrella if you will, that you’re not exactly competing against because it’s a completely different realm. Yet, I would assume some people might perceive it as, “How can you compete with free healthcare?” Right? You know, in terms of your jumping off, and you’re going to have people pay you cash when they could rely on the NHS. But I know well enough that you’re offering something completely different, something that more than likely isn’t offered under the NHS umbrella, correct? Yeah


Dr. Natalie Geary: That’s absolutely true. You know, like most government provisions and health systems, it’s underfunded. Yeah, so the idea that anybody was going to get their Botox and fillers through the NHS was pretty slim; it wasn’t competing in that sense. But trying to attract really good talent has been difficult because so many doctors are very committed to the NHS. It’s a very stable employment environment, you know, you do have a job for life. It’s one of the few places where you probably still have a job for life. And there’s a lot of security that comes with that. So, interestingly, the NHS has made trying to recruit doctors out of it really expensive because they now know they can do locum work and night shifts, and earn a really good amount of money. Then trying to get them to come into something like a more commercial medical environment where you have to work to get your patients and retain them and do all of those things… Yeah, it has made it quite tricky at times to really encourage the talent out. Not that I would encourage talent out of the NHS, but trying to get doctors to come to work for you is not always easy.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Much of this boils down to self-awareness and whether you’re the entrepreneurial type. Some people are, and some aren’t. Those who aren’t may gravitate toward wanting or needing a secure paycheck. That’s where they’re likely to head. However, by clearly planting your flag and stating, ‘This is what I’m going to do,’ positively, you’ll attract the right type of people. It might be a bit of a challenge, I’d guess, but worth it because the individuals are drawn to your team and the cause will be the right fit. They’ll identify with the desire or need for more adventure and opportunity, rather than just a paycheck. No offense to those who seek the security of a paycheck—I understand that people have different needs and motivations. What you’re describing sounds similar to experiences we’ve had. You’re either more risk-tolerant, entrepreneurial, and visionary, or you’re someone who needs security and stability.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Yeah, in fact, there’s a model in the UK where, as you become more established, you can have your NHS practice. Especially as a consultant, you have the opportunity to explore other areas of medicine that might be of great interest to you. So, many GPs, anesthetists, and professionals from various medical fields are moving into cosmetic medicine, knowing they have the stability of working three to four days a week within the NHS.


Dr. Chad Woolner: So, what lasers are you using right now? And what purposes are they serving for you?


Dr. Natalie Geary: I began my laser journey with the Emeraude, primarily because my extensive background in athletics made a fat loss laser an excellent addition to my clinic. We had previously explored body sculpting with CoolSculpting and achieved great results. The arrival of the Emerald was exciting; its approach is completely different from CoolSculpting, offering me a new avenue to assist my patients in focusing on their long-term health and wellness.

So, starting with the Emeraude, I quickly grew fond of the lasers, especially the EV RLS, which are handheld devices. These were easily integrated into our treatments with the Emeraude. Beyond the technical aspects, there’s a personal motivation driving many of us in the medical field. We all know someone struggling with health issues. The VRL could potentially aid my daughter, who has ADHD, and my father, who suffers from industrial asthma. My mother, dealing with tremors, also comes to mind. Therefore, we expanded our toolkit to include the EV RLS.

Following this, we acquired the effects laser, aimed specifically at alleviating pain. This expansion in our services not only enhances our ability to treat physical conditions but also supports our commitment to improving the overall well-being of our patients and their families.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Yeah, so you mentioned, Dr. Geary, that you initially delved into aesthetics, and now you’re more interested in the health and wellness space. I suppose one could argue that aesthetics is part of that. But what exactly is your interest in health? Where does it stem from, and what types of conditions are you aiming to address with your patients?


Dr. Natalie Geary: So, I think again, I’m just being totally honest, my journey into health really was because probably I was perimenopause or not sleeping very well. felt overwhelmed, pretty stressed and I felt surely there’s got to be something else out there for me. And I think I’ve been doing esthetics, you know, literally just injectables for long enough to know, really good. I do a great job for people, but I don’t feel stretched anymore. And then I started looking into functional medicine. And I came to America for several conferences, and it was a real life changer for me. Because initially, I was going just for me, I thought, I didn’t even need to practice this in my clinic, I just needed to know, should I be eating better? Should I be exercising more? And that’s how it all started. For me. It was a very personal and probably quite selfish journey that I was on. And also I’ve got two young children, and what can I do for my family? How am I going to make sure that in this day and age, we can be as healthy as we possibly can? So that’s how it started. And then obviously, you start learning all of these things. And then of course, I talked to everybody, my, all my patients, I’d like to think I’m not just a botox doctor, we will talk about hormones, sleep and stress, and all of the things that are affecting everybody. And I’d be saying, Oh, you try this, and have you thought about that? And this could be a great supplement for you to try. But I wasn’t being commercial about any of it. But I didn’t want to be commercial about any of it. At that point, I just wanted to kind of learn my knowledge and then excitedly share it.


Dr. Chad Woolner: It seems, I would say, not only common but also the vast majority of journeys that you hear about in the overarching health and wellness space, not so much. Well, and I’m sure there are exceptions; I shouldn’t paint it like that. But it’s far more common in chiropractic and functional medicine, in the entire health and wellness space, for many people to have some sort of a very deeply personal story that starts them on their journey. And I’m sure, again, in medicine, you hear that, but you also hear the story of ‘I became a doctor because I wanted to become a doctor.’ No disrespect or offense to anyone, but sometimes there is a certain attraction to that because of the title, or because parents want it. You hear these stories, or at least you see them in the movies, right? The parents who wanted their child to become a doctor, whether the child wanted to be a doctor or not, they’re going to be a doctor, right? So, your story is kind of interesting in that here, you started in this conventional space and then, through your journey, experienced what we might call a reawakening or excitement in terms of mission, personal purpose, and passion.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Yeah. Like many of us when we were young, I was incredibly idealistic. I thought I’d be a great doctor because I love people, I want to help them, and I’m very caring. All these reasons that you think would make you a great doctor turned out not to necessarily mean you’ll be one. That’s probably why I didn’t fit in with the NHS; I just wasn’t a good fit at that moment in time. I suppose there was a massive part of me that thought, ‘Oh my gosh, I’ve made a huge mistake. I don’t want to be a doctor. This is awful.’ And I felt like that for a long time. But that’s why functional medicine had to be a personal journey for me. I was thinking, ‘Well, I don’t ever need to practice this, but I can find out for myself. What can I eat? How can I be healthier?’ That was what I was aiming for. So, yes, I think I started my career in medicine for all the wrong reasons. I don’t want to discourage anyone. If you’re thinking, ‘But I care about people, and I think I’d make a great doctor,’ we do need all those qualities. Sure. But sometimes, having those qualities and trying to fit into what can be a very uncaring, harsh environment is challenging.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I think the key distinction is this: It’s not that those characteristics or qualities would make a bad doctor. No, those would make me an amazing doctor. It’s that those characteristics and qualities are incongruent with the current system, the way the current system operates. The UK system is probably, in many respects, similar, although I’m sure there are differences. However, the mainstream conventional medical system is broken. You know, it’s very reactive. And so, the problem is that those ideas, or again, those characteristics we’re talking about, don’t fit well into that system because it’s a fairly harsh and cold environment as you mentioned. It’s a difficult environment. Andrew and I were discussing this earlier. I feel—and I could be wrong, maybe that’s just my perception—but I feel like there’s this kind of reawakening of people wanting to go back to the way that doctor-patient relationships used to be. Like the old-timey docs, the town doc, you know, where they would carry their bag of tools and have answers for people. They were it, you know, with all of these issues.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Just as a doctor cares for people in their community—like those you see at church or encounter at the grocery store, yes, or even at the general store—we are motivated by a need to help people.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yes, and genuinely trying to solve their problems without being constrained by external forces that interfere with that effort. It seems to me there’s a kind of reawakening, a revival if you will, where many physicians, medical doctors, chiropractors, and acupuncturists all want to return to that simpler model if that makes sense. Yeah.


Dr. Natalie Geary: I think that’s probably what drove me to aesthetic medicine. I was able to give each person 30 to 45 minutes of my time. It doesn’t take that long to do some small injections. And when we got busy, I never cut the time short to make more money because the joy for me always came from knowing my patient. I wanted to know things like, did your son get into college? Did your daughter pass her driving test? Did you get the promotion? Are you moving to a new place? Those are the bits that I love; it was that human connection. And knowing more about my patients meant I could serve them better. That’s why I never cut my time short, although some of my colleagues did. But I think it was to their detriment because they became kind of burnt out, frazzled, and disillusioned. It was kind of stepping back into the way of working in the NHS. Whereas, I perceived my time with my patients because that’s what I wanted. I wanted that connection with them. So, I can see amazing changes ahead for us as doctors and healthcare providers. You’re right. People need that connection and community, and I’m sure that’s the direction medicine is heading.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah. Now more than ever, for sure. So, maybe you can tell us some cool stories. How long have you been using the EBarrels? You started with the Emerald, right? How many years have you had that? And then, how long have you had the EPRs?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Well, we were one of the first clinics in the UK to get the Emerald. It only really appeared, I think, within the last two years. Okay, yeah. So, yeah, but we were, I think, the second clinic to get on board with it. Just because I loved the ethos behind it. I love the fact that it didn’t kill a fat cell, and when you’re done with your functional medicine, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And of course, once I got started, and then I was talking to other people about all the other amazing things you could do with a laser, I got just super excited and basically couldn’t stop myself. I was like the kid in the candy store, ‘Oh, have those, I’ll have one of those.’ And then I can help people do that. Yeah, so yeah, I’ve probably got a bit ahead of myself, really, but I think it’s this longing to help people for sure. You know, I will see somebody for Botox, and they’ll tell me they’ve got a bad shoulder, and why not just jump into my red laser? And of course, I don’t charge them. Here’s me telling you what an entrepreneur is, right?


Dr. Chad Woolner: That’s all right. So, tell us some of the cool stories, some of the cool things that you’ve seen.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Okay, I think one of my favorite stories involves a woman who tried the Emerald laser for fat loss and was seeing great results. About five or six weeks into her treatment, one of my therapists mentioned to her, “Did you know that the Emerald laser isn’t just for fat loss? It has several other benefits, including pain relief.” The woman was intrigued and shared that she had been dealing with sciatica for a long time, which significantly affected her daily activities. She had to modify her exercise routines and avoid stairs due to the pain. However, she noticed that she hadn’t experienced any sciatica symptoms since starting her sessions with the Emerald laser. I initially thought that the laser treatments might be temporarily easing her symptoms. But when I saw her months later and inquired about her sciatica, she excitedly told me it hadn’t returned. She even mentioned taking a fall during a walking holiday and fearing the sciatica would flare up again, but it didn’t. She was perfectly fine, which was truly astonishing.

Another story that stands out to me involves one of my employees who suffers from Crohn’s disease. This condition severely impacted her life, at its worst requiring up to thirty bathroom visits a day, along with significant dietary and lifestyle changes. She had to stop her medication almost a year ago due to an urgent call from her doctor about dangerously low white blood cell counts. At that point, I suggested she try using lasers for relief. After consulting with Dr. Rob Silverman on the best approach, given our access to various lasers, we followed his advice. My employee, having easy access to our treatments, used the Emerald laser almost daily. Within a year, the improvement in her symptoms was remarkable. She now goes to the bathroom like anyone else would.


Dr. Chad Woolner: So, were you using a combination of the Emerald effects and the EBRL?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Well, to start with, we were using a bit of everything because we weren’t sure. Okay. And Dr. Rob said, “Actually, just go on the Emerald.” Okay. So, it’s just been Emerald, and it suits her because it’s hers, you know. She’ll use it in her lunch hour. It’s very relaxing and lovely. But not only was she getting symptomatic relief when she went back to the doctor, the doctor basically was kind of like, “Well, you know, right. You’re so skeptical, right?” And, of course, that’s great. But let’s have a look at what’s going on. So, he started, and he did an MRI and a colonoscopy. Both came back with no active disease. Wow. Yeah. And then, so then, he was saying, “Well, I still think you need to go on this IV drip and do whatever.” And she’s like, “I don’t want to. I feel great. I can literally eat what I want. I’m living the way I want to live. Why change anything?” Yeah. And, you know, she’s a very switched-on person. So, she said, “Tell you what, because he was saying, ‘Well, actually, it doesn’t surprise me that this is where you are at because of all the medications that you were on.


Dr. Chad Woolner: That’s what did it. Yeah


Dr. Natalie Geary: And she rightly pressed him on this point. She asked, ‘But what if it wasn’t the medication? What if it’s the lasers that I’m using? Can we please re-examine this in a few months?’ Fortunately, that wonderful doctor agreed. So, in a few months, we’re going to observe as she undergoes more colonoscopies and MRIs, which is significant because they give her terrible side effects. She’s going to endure these procedures, and we’re very hopeful that there will still be no active disease. At that point, we might start having a meaningful conversation about whether there is any role for laser treatment in addressing the wars against more chronic diseases like Crohn’s, which was so life-altering.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, I’ve got a friend of mine. And I’ve just seen, you know, just through social media, what he’s been pretty open about sharing. And it’s horrific. I mean, it really is. It impacts life in a very negative way. I mean, yeah. So the fact that you were able to get that kind of result, or that she was able to get that kind of result, is incredible. Yeah


Dr. Natalie Geary: It’s unbelievably exciting. But, you know, we all have to put our medical hats back on and not get carried away. Sure. Yeah, totally. But, you know, I just love having this technology in my clinic. I love the fact that I can help someone with a bad back or a bad knee. And, you know, I am an aesthetic doctor, not a chiropractor, osteopath, or anyone with any real experience in dealing with chronic pain. And I don’t do any manipulations. But I say to them, ‘Look, if it’s really bad, just lie under my laser for, you know, 20 minutes and see.’ And almost invariably, everyone gets back up and says, ‘You know what, that feels so much better. I can walk down the stairs; before, I was kind of hopping up and hopping back down again.’ So, I see it pretty much every day. And this is why I just love all this technology. Because I think, goodness me, this is something that works with our bodies to help us heal ourselves better rather than handing out medications.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Do you feel compelled now, what a nice story, to be able to help someone on your team with such a severe issue. Do you feel compelled now to help other people with Crohn’s? Are you seeking that out?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Do you know what? We’re not certain, and I think there’s a reticence on my part because we don’t have empirical proof. What I have is an anecdote that for one person, it did something amazing. And you have to be really careful not to use this as a claim we can’t support. We can’t say, ‘Oh, this has happened,’ and potentially engage in false advertising


Dr. Chad Woolner: So you haven’t done a TV ad claiming to cure Crohn’s.


Dr. Andrew Wells: around London, look what I did. 


Dr. Natalie Geary: I know. There’s a massive part of you that wants to do that. Because, wow, look what we did. Because it’s so exciting. But, you know, we don’t have the data behind it.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I think that Erchonia would be very interesting. I know they’re already overwhelmed with studies right now, but it would be a really cool project to look into. And maybe even consider a broader umbrella, not just Crohn’s, but also other types of colitis-related issues. That would be interesting because, unfortunately, these are very common problems. I imagine that designing such studies could be done quite effectively. So, my thoughts are mainly about the aspects of placebo control, blinding, and so on, but, yes, that’s what I’m thinking.


Dr. Natalie Geary: I think so. I mentioned this to Erchonia because I was highly excited. And actually, it was a really interesting conversation that we had. One of the founders kind of said to me, ‘That’s great, Natalie. But every week, somebody tells me about something amazing they’ve done with this laser,’ he says, ‘you know, for us to do a proper study, it’s about a million dollars per study. And so he’s like, ‘Well, you know, it’s wonderful if you’ve got that, but I could tell you about at least 20 other things that we should probably be looking at.’ So, of course, I understand that. You’ve got to go where you think you’re going to get your FDA approval from, at the end of the day, or where you’re going to make the most effective commitment, right? The most benefit? Yeah, so I do understand the issue. But what a wonderful issue to have.


Dr. Chad Woolner: The interesting, unique perspective that Andrew and I have is that we talk with clinical experts, doctors, and researchers, and see a spectrum of viewpoints. Additionally, we are entrepreneurs, business owners, and marketers ourselves, which gives us a unique perspective. One thing I’ve shared before, and I want to preface my next point by saying I don’t want it to be misconstrued as misleading in any way, is that the two most compelling forms of evidence for the community at large are scientific research—which is the gold standard, high-level research—and personal testimonials and stories. For example, when we do presentations at my clinic about lasers, I talk, and then we show video after video of what we call ‘one treatment challenge’ of patients who came in with pain in their shoulders, knees, feet, backs, etc. We show their experiences with the laser treatment and ask, ‘How do you feel now?’ This approach is very compelling.

When it comes to sharing stories, you may not have the resources to conduct a double-blind placebo-controlled study, but you can certainly capture a patient’s testimonial. It depends on the individual doctor. Some might claim they can cure Crohn’s disease, which, of course, is not advisable. However, there might be doctors like you who, if they shared a patient’s success story on social media or elsewhere (though I’m not sure about the regulations in England, where they might clamp down on such claims), and if a patient with Crohn’s disease saw it and came in asking if the Emerald laser could help their condition, I assume your response would be, ‘I don’t know, but it wouldn’t hurt to try.’ That’s what I assume your approach would be.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Absolutely. That’s it. Yeah, exactly. I want to make it absolutely clear that there is no medical evidence suggesting that this laser will work. However, we’ve treated one person, and they experienced amazing results. Yeah, if you’re willing to give it a go. And I think another fantastic aspect of the laser is that I can confidently say there are no known side effects.


Dr. Chad Woolner: What’s the worst that can happen? The only thing, the worst-case scenario, is nothing really changes. Yeah, that’s worse. Well, actually, I think I shouldn’t even say that. The worst-case scenario is you lose a little bit of belly fat because we know it’ll do that. Yes, you know, so, hey, your Crohn’s may not improve or whatever, but at least you’re going to lose a few inches off the waistline, which I’m sure everybody could appreciate.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Your sciatica will go away as well.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Yeah, that was coming. will be if that doctor Yeah.


Dr. Chad Woolner: But no, that’s really cool. You know, the fact that you’ve already accomplished that is what I find truly exciting. It’s been a two-year period, right?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Yeah, I think we’ve had it. I think we’ve had it for about two years. You know, how COVID just skews everything.


Dr. Chad Woolner: It’s a time warp now. Yeah, almost like two years. But the fact that you’ve already witnessed so many incredibly exciting stories… I feel the same. You think, ‘How many more lasers can we acquire?’ because you recognize the significant difference they make as a powerful tool for our patients.


Dr. Natalie Geary: I do think, though, one of the issues, especially maybe in the UK market, is there’s a healthy dose of skepticism. Sure, it’s really hard for you to say, “Oh, by the way, I’ve got this amazing laser. And I know you’ve been going to see your physio, having massages, and trying all these other things for months. Why don’t you just try my laser? You’ll probably see an effect after about five minutes, and it doesn’t even feel like anything is happening.” And they just look at you, which is why I end up giving a lot of treatment away for free. Because I’m not quite sure how else I can convince you. Right?


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, well, and that’s the beautiful thing that I’ve seen in my own clinic. And that’s exactly what I do. I give them one treatment. I would say 99.9% of the patients that come in, we let them try it for free once. Yeah, because then exactly that, like it’s like, hey, and I’m confident enough in that, that I know that they’ll see some type of improvement, because the vast majority of people will see some type of improvement in one visit. And I think that’s very comforting, reassuring, and very fair to patients, you know, when you approach it that way, because so many times with other therapies that we’ve had at our clinic. Because we know that with pain, in general, we’ll just use pain as the example. It takes time, you know, with most things for them to see. And what patients don’t want to hear, unfortunately, is exactly that. And so therefore, with other therapies where it’s like, you know, we need to give this, you know, you know, 10-12 tries before we see whether or not it’s working or not, and so it’s yet again, one more thing that they have to kind of put faith into, and that’s the last thing in the world, people want us to put faith in something, you know, that just does not, I think, instill a lot of confidence. Whereas with this, it’s been really cool because we’re like, you know, you don’t have to believe in it. You just try it once. See if it does anything. And if it does awesome, then that’s a good indicator that we’re going to be able to help you if it doesn’t, then hey, worse, you wasted 15-20 minutes of your life. Okay. Yeah, you know, so that’s powerful.


Dr. Andrew Wells: So, Dr. Geary, you mentioned earlier that you found aesthetics amazing, but not really stretching you professionally. What do you envision for your career over the next 5 to 10 years? Where do you see yourself being stretched in your profession and helping people? 


Dr. Natalie Geary: So I believe that having the Emerald laser, which is intended to assist with fat loss, would be beneficial.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Crohn’s and sciatica


Dr. Natalie Geary: Yeah, so basically, by having our fat loss laser, because I’m a doctor and medical professional, the idea that you just line up to a laser and shed your fat, I can kind of think, ‘Yeah, that’s great.’ But, you know, if you’re going to get fitter and healthier, we’ve got to add things into this. I’m definitely here to help you, but I’ve also got to ensure that you’re going to get fitter and healthier for the rest of your life, not just for my 10-week program, and then potentially resell it to you again next year. That’s just not interesting. So, I’ve created this program called Dr. Go Figure. It utilizes the Emerald laser to aid in fat loss. Then we incorporate lymphatic drainage because we know we need to get the body moving in order to release fat, metabolize it, and excrete it. We also include an exercise element, utilizing EMS, which stands for electro muscle stimulation. With this method, clients wear a suit, and we externally stimulate their muscles, providing a full body workout in just 20 minutes. I chose this because I knew my target demographic might not necessarily want to go to a gym or enjoy traditional exercise. So, I thought, ‘How can I achieve the best results possible in the shortest amount of time in a one-on-one environment?’ That’s where EMS comes in. Another crucial aspect is education. We explain to people how their bodies work and what does and doesn’t work for our bodies. I think it’s crucial because most people just don’t know. They’re unaware of how hormones can affect their weight or how a poor night’s sleep or working night shifts can impact their weight. There are all these things that people aren’t aware of. So, I’ve also created a podcast, currently exclusive to my Dr. Go Figure patients, which consolidates all of these elements. It’s aimed at helping individuals live a healthier, more active, and happier life.


Dr. Chad Woolner: What’s the name of your podcast?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Well, as I said, it’s purely for my doctor. Go figure. But the name of the program is Dr. Go Figure. So in the next 5 to 10 years, I actually want to push Dr. Go Figure. Definitely nationwide in the UK, I’d love to come to America. But that’s going to take some partnerships, if anyone’s listening. Let me know because then yeah, basically I’d love to see this, getting out there and creating a lot more impact than I can personally do myself.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Are you noticing that? Because this has been, I think, a fairly common theme for us: we’re discovering that patients want more education and information than we assumed they did.


Dr. Natalie Geary: I think we’re all very accustomed now, aren’t we, to opting for podcasts over thumping tunes while at the gym or during other moments such as dropping off our children at school or having a spare half-hour before work. We’ve grown accustomed to having vast amounts of information readily available to us. Education delivery has become increasingly accessible. In my podcast, I strive to explain the workings of hormones in a layman’s terms, enabling listeners to understand the effects of their food choices on their bodies, particularly in relation to insulin levels. It seems there’s an increasing appetite for such content, or perhaps we’ve simply made it more accessible.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I think it is more. I really do. I think it’s a combination of accessibility. But I also think that over time, I’ve noticed— and again, this could just be my own opinion, but I don’t think it is— a collective shift happening where patients are seeking to consume more in-depth information. One surprising aspect of this podcast is the number of patients we’ve heard from, thanks to various guests we’ve interviewed. They’ve mentioned receiving calls from patients saying, “Hey, I heard you on The Laser Light Show.” And we’re like, “That’s kind of cool. You know, that’s really cool.” What I’ve discovered in my own clinic is that instead of me attempting to explain things, I direct patients to listen to Dr. Brandon Brock, Trevor Berry, or Mark Funderlich. They do a much better job. Just check out episode number whatever, you know? And it just works a lot better that way. So I’m finding that patients are truly seeking more education and information to delve into. It must be enjoyable for you to be involved in teaching in that capacity. Because I imagine it helps fulfill the role you initially envisioned, wanting to be that type of doctor for your patients, you know?


Dr. Natalie Geary: No, it definitely does. And it’s given me that outlet, you know, for functional medicine, which I kept to myself. All of a sudden, I’m like, well, actually, I can tell people about how this could help them if we’re trying to help them lose weight. Yeah. So no, it’s been really good, fun, and definitely given my career a new lease on life.


Dr. Chad Woolner: That’s awesome. Absolutely incredible. We certainly appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to be here with us and share this all the way from the UK. How long? How much longer are you going to be here in the States?


Dr. Natalie Geary: Oh, I’ve got to go home. I think it’s tomorrow night. Okay, I think I’m doing a presentation later. And I’m hoping there’s going to be a bit of time around the pool.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Okay, there you go. Fantastic. Anything else you want to say, Doctor?


Dr. Andrew Wells: Thank you for being on the show. It’s great having you, and thanks for your insights. Hopefully, we’ll have you on the podcast again in the future.


Dr. Natalie Geary: Oh, I would love that.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Hopefully the next one will be in English. We’ve been meeting so many people from the UK. I’m thinking, we’re trying to build our friends network, so that we can have all of our tours lined up. That way, everybody can take us around and show us all the sights in the UK.


Dr. Natalie Geary: So, you’re very welcome to come to us. We’re in Weybridge, not far from London and very close to Henry the Eight’s home, Hampton Court Palace.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Very cool.


Dr. Chad Woolner: That sounds amazing. Alright then. Thank you again so much. We appreciate it. To everyone listening, thank you for being here for this fantastic episode. And yeah, we’ll share more with you on the next one. Talk to you later. Thanks for listening to The Laser Light Show. Be sure to subscribe and give us a review. If you’re interested in learning more about our Erchonia lasers, just head on over to erchonia.com. There you’ll find a ton of useful resources, including research news, and links to upcoming live events, as well as Erchonia’s e-community where you can access additional resources, including advanced training and business tools for free. Again, thanks for listening, and we’ll catch you on the next episode.


About The Guest(s):

Dr. Natalie Geary is a UK-based doctor with over 15 years of experience in cosmetic medicine, specializing in Botox and fillers. Initially planning to join the NHS, she shifted towards aesthetics and wellness, driven by a passion for patient-centered care and the therapeutic applications of laser technology. Her approach combines clinical expertise with a deep commitment to improving patients’ overall well-being, highlighted by her development of health and wellness programs that integrate advanced laser treatments with holistic health practices.

Episode Summary:

In Episode #31 of The Laser Light Show, Dr. Chad Woolner and Dr. Andrew Wells interview Dr. Natalie Geary, a UK-based doctor transitioning from the National Health Service (NHS) to the field of aesthetics and wellness. Dr. Geary discusses her journey from feeling misplaced within the NHS to finding her calling in cosmetic medicine and later expanding her focus toward holistic health and wellness. She emphasizes the importance of personal connections with patients and the transformative impact of laser therapy, not only for aesthetic purposes but also for treating various health conditions.

Key Takeaways:

  • Transition from NHS to Aesthetics: Dr. Geary’s career shift was motivated by her desire for a more nurturing environment and autonomy, leading her to specialize in Botox, fillers, and later wellness.
  • Laser Therapy: She discusses the significant role of laser therapy in her practice, particularly the Erchonia lasers, which she uses for fat loss, pain relief, and potentially aiding conditions like ADHD, asthma, and tremors.
  • Patient-Centric Approach: Dr. Geary values the personal connection with her patients, dedicating time to understand their lives beyond medical concerns, which she believes enhances the care she provides.
  • Health and Wellness Focus: Her health journey was personally motivated, leading her to functional medicine and a holistic approach to patient care, incorporating education on lifestyle, hormones, and nutrition.


I think it’s obvious that I’ve embarked on the entrepreneur’s journey, which isn’t for everyone, but it suits me.” – Dr. Natalie Geary