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Podcast Episode #58: Miracle Monday with Dr. Ryan Manning

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Dr. Chad Woolner: Welcome to Miracle Mondays, a brand new segment of the Laser Light Show focused exclusively on practitioners and patients’ amazing and sometimes even unbelievable stories that are occurring each and every day all across the country. We hope that you really enjoy these. And hopefully, you can see that miracles are occurring all around us each and every day. These are the amazing things we get to hear and now you get to hear as well. So we hope you enjoy Miracle Mondays. All right, welcome to the show, everybody. Dr. Chad Woolner here with Dr. Andrew Wells. And on today’s episode of the Laser Light Show, we have with us our good friends, Dr. Ryan Manning and Denise Yakovenko. We’re really excited to hear about their story, they have a pretty amazing story to share with us. So with that being said, let’s get started. 



Dr. Andrew Wells

Dr. Chad Woolner

Dr. Ryan Manning

Denise Yakovenko


Dr. Chad Woolner: Growing up in Portland, Oregon, I used to love going to laser light shows at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. They would put on these amazing light shows with incredible designs synced up to some of my favorite music from the Beatles to Pink Floyd to Jimi Hendrix and Metallica. They were awesome. Little did I know then that lasers would have such a profound effect on my life decades later. As a chiropractic physician, I have seen firsthand just how powerful laser therapy is at helping patients struggling with a wide range of health problems. As the leader in laser therapy, Erchonia has pioneered the field in obtaining 20 of the 23 total FDA clearances for therapeutic applications of lasers. On this podcast, we’ll explore the science and technology and physiology behind what makes these tools so powerful. Join me as we explore low-level laser therapy. I’m Dr. Chad Woolner, along with my good friend, Dr. Andrew Wells, and welcome to the Laser Light Show. All right, welcome to the show everybody. We are super excited to have Dr. Ryan and Denise here with us. This is going to be part of what we’re calling our Miracle Monday segment. We hear all the time all across the country and all across the world some pretty miraculous stories. And so rather than us relay them, what we figured we would do, which would be a far better approach is to hear proverbially straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak in terms of these stories. And so Dr. Bryan and Denise, thank you guys so much for being here with us. We sure appreciate it. Thank you. So let’s kick this off. Tell us about how this all started and what the story is all about.


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Dr. Ryan Manning: I’ll let Denise take the lead on this.


Denise Yakovenko: Well, yes, so I think in the summer, like half of my body when people were saying it might be a stroke and stuff. But my face was normal, and the speech wasn’t slurred. And people were saying that maybe just a nerve or something. It was like that for maybe a month. And then it went away for a week or two. And then that’s when I come back in full force, and all of my body except the right arm went numb. And that’s when the whole symptoms of a mess begin. Whereas like I couldn’t walk, I couldn’t feel anything. I couldn’t open a water bottle. Like literally, if you Google MS and see the symptoms, I had all of them except the vision. And probably more and it freaked me out like yeah, I would fall all the time. I could not like, I could not even do anything. I could not grab a cup of water. Like, yeah, and I was pretty devastated.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah.


Dr. Andrew Wells: I want the listeners if you’re listening to this on a podcast, we’re recording this on zoom so we can see Denise. You’re, you’re a young and healthy appearing male, right? Oh, how old are ya?


Denise Yakovenko: I’m 34. I’m super healthy. Like, I don’t drink, I’ve never drank. I’ve never smoked. I exercise regularly. I ate so healthy. And I was so pissed at my body for doing this to me. I was like ‘I’m taking such good care of you. And that’s how you repay me for this?’ Yeah, and I could not believe how bad it was.


Dr. Andrew Wells: You don’t fit like the typical like the typical image of somebody who has like a chronic health issue like, let alone something like MS, which is a very scary devastating diagnosis and so … That must have been pretty scary to not know what was happening, given the fact that you’re, you know, obviously taking care of yourself.


Denise Yakovenko: Yeah, I think there were only like two options at the end, it’s like it’s either a brain tumor or MS. I was hoping for the brain tumor because at least you can cure that. You know, but nothing.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Think about that. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone say ‘I hope it’s a brain tumor.’ There you were, well, the option the other two options you had. Wow. How did you guys do well, let me ask you this, what was the first thing that you did? So you had these symptoms that came back in a nasty way after this kind of sort of week of not feeling it? But what was the progression of things that you did?


Denise Yakovenko: Um, well, yeah. At the end, it was. All of a sudden, I lost control of everything in my body. And I was not able to do anything. I could not feel my body, I could not feel if I’m wearing clothes or not, I could not control my bowel movements, like everything in my body just shut off except the right arm, which is not very useful. But so I went to the doctor, she prescribed me a week of steroids, like the high dosage, steroids and stuff. did absolutely nothing, except gave me all the side effects. I was like, I’m doing it. Yeah. But then I came back to her. I was like, I’m sorry, it did nothing. And I don’t want to do that. Like I only get even worse, like, I still have no feelings. I still have. Like, I can barely walk. I can function and stuff. Yeah, and then that’s when Ryan comes in. And he offers to do the laser treatments or something. Like he knows better about that. And I think it’s time for him too.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Did you know Ryan beforehand?


Denise Yakovenko: Yes. I knew him as a massage therapist. Yeah.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Enter. Dr. Manning,


Dr. Ryan Manning: Yeah, hello. So I guess I’ll pick up the story in December when the symptoms really come back because that was the first time that I had been told about them. So, you know, when I think he had a couple, like a two-week delay in getting to the neurologist and in that time, you know, the symptoms got pretty severe. So I said, Come over, we’ll just treat your immune system, I’m going to put you under this rellena. So I know this around is only a laser lipo FDA approved, but trust me, it is so much farther, further a great healing device than it gets credit for. So I put them under the lasers. And he gave him, you know, probably about a half hour before I treated him. And I mean, Denise was so bad at this point, I had to help them in and out of the RV because we do mobile laser lipo in an RV, so we can take it on location. So I brought the RV to his house where he was living and had to help him in and out of the RV. And so he gets up, and he goes, you know, like, I feel something I feel so I feel different. I feel an energy, I can’t really. And this is one of the most common things that we hear when you really give people a dose of laser, they go, I feel an odd energy inside of me. It’s something that I haven’t felt before. So I can’t really describe it. I just feel different. I feel better. But I feel different. And so I said, Hey, I’ll take anything at this point. And you know, I believe actually after the first session, that you actually walked a little bit different. You had a little more of a pep in your step. A little more stability. Is that correct? Denise? Do you remember that?


Denise Yakovenko: I don’t remember. But yeah, I just Yeah. Fair enough. I’m sure that yeah, no, yeah, I’m sure I did.


Dr. Ryan Manning: And so I think I treated him three times, two or three times in that short period of time and that was where he was waiting to see the neurologist. And then I really lost track of Denise because he was in the medical world and on steroids. So now cut to so this was in I believe, December, the December symptoms were December that the symptoms were so bad. And then he goes off into the medical world and steroids. Well, in March I just you know, happened to remember I’m like Jeff, how’s Denise doing and he goes, he’s actually doing quite well. And I said I just got This new laser, I just got this green one. Now I have all three colors, which is so exciting because you stimulate all four proteins on the mitochondria at one time. It’s like having a car that you’re finally firing on all cylinders. So I said, Jeff, get Denise over here, and I’ll just treat them. I’ll treat him for free. So at that time, I found out that he was doing the cryo therapy. And so I, you know, Denise comes back into my world, and we do an exam and talk to him. And he goes, you know, like, I’m actually doing a lot better than the major problems that I have, and really, it was the only problem that you had was that your index fingers were numb.


Denise Yakovenko: So my fingers, yeah. And I still had an MS hug. And I still wasn’t able to run.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Right. But I Wait, you said you had the MS. What? A


Denise Yakovenko: MS hug. It’s basically when your ribcage is, it feels like someone is constructing it. It’s like you can take a full breath and stuff.


Dr. Ryan Manning: Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I didn’t, I didn’t know I think that was left out in the running was left out, you know, but primarily, I recalled, the fingers were numb. So you know, I took all three colors, really nailed them, did it in the mouth. And then just all over the brain and the whole body just scanning him, you know, constantly for about a half hour. And he gets up. And it was the same exact thing that he said the very first time and the other times that I’d worked on him I feel a little bit different. I feel like something but no major changes, you know, but I feel something definitely happened. So the next morning, I write to him, I go, how are you doing? He goes, Well, my fingers, I can feel my fingers again. And that’s not normal. That’s, you know, hasn’t been that way since the symptoms came on in December. And I just was blown away. I mean, it was hard for me to actually wrap my head around how somebody could have lesions on their brain and their spinal tracts, you know, enough to go. I still have symptoms. And then overnight, they’re gone. It just doesn’t. I don’t know how to wrap my head around it, you know, knowing how fast nerves regenerate. But I said, I mean, I know he’s not lying. So I’ll take it. And so at that point, I just said, you know, I want to see you next week to reinforce it. So the next week comes along, I see him again, I go, how are you? And he’s like, Well, my fingers are still normal. He goes, but what I didn’t tell you last week, he goes because I didn’t want to jinx it. And I wanted to tell you your face. He goes, not only were my fingers normal, but I ran a mile. And that was absolutely shocking. And he goes I literally have no MS symptoms. And it’s just to this day right now I literally have chills on me because I’m like, It’s impossible, it seems impossible to have that happen. So if I’m not mistaken. And Denise, you can correct me that morning, you had actually seen your MS doctor and they were like this isn’t supposed to happen. I can’t believe that you actually, you know, are sorry that you have no symptoms. He goes, I can’t legally tell you not to take your medication. But off the record. I’m telling you, I wouldn’t take it unless I actually had symptoms. And so as we stand today, oh, and so what happened was I said, you know, because Denise is also an avid runner. He loves to run marathons that are trained for him and obviously can’t do that. So I said, let me know when you get two miles. So I think it was a week later I texted him I’m like, Denise, did you get your two miles? He goes no, but I just did a four mile hike with 1000 feet of elevation basically, like not running, but at a clip that is so sufficient that nobody really ever wants to hike with me because it’s so fast. And this isn’t two weeks, two and a half weeks. Wow. And he’s literally back. So if I said anything wrong, Denise go ahead and correct me or if there’s anything you want to add. Feel free.


Denise Yakovenko: Well, yeah, the only reason why I wasn’t able to do a two-mile run and stuff. It’s because I was out of shape. Because I couldn’t move for like half a year.


Dr. Andrew Wells: And were you, Denise, were you given by your doctors the MS. Diagnosis?


Denise Yakovenko: Yeah, I have an official MS diagnosis. I think I have like 15,16 lesions in my brain and seven and up. They stopped counting, I think, in my spine. You Yeah. And yeah, to this day, I have zero symptoms. I thought, like she, my doctor said that I might never get the feeling back in my feet, my legs or my hands. Like, I can do everything. I’m healthier than ever. And if this can help someone else, because I was so devastated, like, all of a sudden, I turned into a severely handicapped person, I could not do anything, I would need assistance for everything. And I’m now back to normal, healthier than ever. Yeah, it is a miracle. To me, it is a miracle. And I’ve never taken any MS medications. I haven’t even started well, except for the steroids that time. But yeah, did nothing to me. Wow.


Dr. Andrew Wells: You don’t hear these stories very often. It sounds like your doctors didn’t hear, you know, they don’t hear these stories very often. First, first and foremost, um, you know, obviously really happy for you that you have your life back. Something that disappeared really quickly and almost seemingly back very quickly, as well as pretty amazing. And we’re happy that you are where you are today. What does the future look like? So we know that you did laser therapy, you’ve been doing cryo therapy, I imagine there’s probably some other things that you’ve done as well in your regimen to kind of get back on track. But what is in terms of maintaining your health? Now, what does that look like for you?


Denise Yakovenko: Honestly, if I could still see Ryan once a month or late like once every two months, and I keep doing cryo, and that’s it. Like, oh, sorry. And I exercise I can now exercise because I have control of my body. I can now run I can do everything that I used to do. And yeah, nothing else changed. Diet hasn’t changed. Like, I’m not doing anything specific. It’s just


Dr. Chad Woolner: Yeah, and I would say that those things, the fact that you are already living a healthy lifestyle only played to your favor, and I’m sure we already know, I’m sure you already know that like, yeah, you know. But that’s still that’s really cool to hear you know that these tools have been able to help you in such a profound way. So I would echo exactly what Andrew said, we’re glad that you’re feeling better that you’re doing that you’re functioning better. That’s huge.


Denise Yakovenko: So yeah, thank you. Yeah, I have a friend with a mess, too. And his symptoms are less severe than mine, but he’s on the strongest, the newest medication, and he still has symptoms. And I told him about everything that I’ve done. And I was like, you gotta try this. Right? So we’ll see. Yeah, yeah. Amazing.


Dr. Andrew Wells: Dr. Manning is like a man on a mission. I know, he, he’s a great connector of people. And so, and he was really anxious to tell this story for obvious reasons. Dr. Manning, I gotta imagine that you were pretty surprised by these results as well. What, what, what change has this made for you?


Dr. Ryan Manning: You know, it just strengthens my faith and the laser. And you know, that it works, just put the laser on people and it works. And, you know, from what I’m, what I’m seeing, and this is my gut, and not to insult any other doctors, any other practitioners. What I’ve seen and just my gut is that people under treat, they under treat with the time they’re afraid of the hormesis. I don’t know what that word is. I mean, I know what it is, but I’ve never seen it ever. I’ve never seen it ever, I’ve never been able to achieve over treating people and seeing a negative result. So I think that, you know, doctors just essentially under treat. And so if you’re not getting the results, you know, treat longer and you’re not to hurt people. You know, the one thing that I do want to say which is so incredible about Denise’s stories, you know, he happened to tell me, you know, he was looking up, you know, the bloggers that are, you know, kind of that have the biggest audience to see. Not necessarily what they’re doing. But at one point where Denise goes, I’m not looking for a cure, I’m looking for a place I could go die, a place that I could, you know, kill myself and I hope that’s not putting you on the spot Denise, with that, hopefully that can be edited out if you take offense to it. But it’s something to be said, you know that there is hope for people you just have to find it and you also have to have faith and the light responds accordingly. And it doesn’t matter. I love the thought process that it does matter the settings, but it doesn’t matter. Just kept the laser on people go with your gut, and really start just listening, listen to the light, listen to the voice that’s telling you to push here, pull there, you know, use the lasers here. And the body will will respond, because I mean, I am getting these kinds of results with other things too, not treating diseases, just treating the body and just treating the immune system and going with the basic protocols, but you know, extended protocols, and maybe a doctor doesn’t have a time to sit there for, you know, a half hour and laser somebody themselves, but maybe, you know, your staff does, and you just charge accordingly. You know, what would a half hour take and just charge people if you’re not getting the results go longer, and especially get more lasers, I started off with the acceleration, that thing completely changed my life, just that one. And thank God for penny that she actually convinced me to get one, because that completely changed my practice. Because it’s so much easier to get results to adjust people just with the acceleration. If people get that one, they’ll never look back, then I got the VRL, which is red and purple instead of the accelerate, which is just to read. And that one tripled the effect of just the acceleration. And but we’ll stand back when I got that GVL it was like I never had lasers to me, adding that one tripled or quadrupled the effect of the other two. And that’s where the miracles like deniers have come in. And it’s just because we got sufficient light on him. And that also is a testament to him how his body responded that he never drank and never, you know, didn’t smoke, didn’t do drugs, just all of the tissue responded accordingly to the faith and light that he put into it prior to having this diagnosis. But I’ve never heard of anything like this happening ever. I’ve never, ever heard of anybody going into full remission from having Ms. And this is I’m sure it has before but this is certainly a way the lasers the cryo therapy and, and faith putting faith into it. Yeah.


Dr. Chad Woolner: I want to highlight something you mentioned, Brian, that I think is going to be important for listeners moving forward as we hear more of these miracle Monday stories to focus on, you know, it can get real tempting to pray, perhaps, over sensationalized and or specifically pigeonhole we want to hear things, Nate, I think naturally, lasers cure XYZ, you know, and the claims that are being thrown out. And I think the important thing that you highlighted that I just want to reiterate is, there’s no claims that are being made other than what happened, you know, and what happened happened, we know that because you’re here sharing that Denise is here sharing that. But the only claim that’s really being made is that we use these lasers to help the body do what the body needs to be able to do. And what happened, you know, and so that’s the whole point is that in terms of any sort of claims, we’re not claiming lasers now cure XYZ beyond the legal scope of what FDA clearances allow us to make claims on. But I think that’s for us in these miracle monies. That’s not the point. The point is, is that clearly, it’s been a miraculous experience. It’s been really, really cool, and hopefully inspiring, and hopefully eye-opening for people. What the human body is capable of doing when we give it the resources that it needs. So just wanted to point that out. So awesome. Denise, thank you so much for being here with us, Dr. Ryan, again, always a pleasure whenever we get to connect with you, my friend. And thanks for being willing to share this story with us, Denise, we really appreciate it. And again, we’re super glad that you’re doing better. Great to hear. Andrew, any final thoughts?


Dr. Andrew Wells: No, just want to echo what Chad is saying, Denise? Yeah. First and foremost, thank you to you for sharing your story. No doubt this is going to impact other people and we’re happy for where you are and happy you connected with Dr. Ryan and Dr. Ryan. Thanks again for being an awesome connector. You always have amazing stories to share with us and good people for our audience to connect with. So thank you for facilitating this and yeah, hopefully we’ll have some more really cool stories like this to share. And for the listeners. Thanks for tuning in and listening to this and hopefully this has been inspiring for you. And also, you know, a good learning experience for potential patients that are maybe suffering with similar.


Dr. Ryan Manning: So one last thing, if you don’t mind, what will be really amazing, we got to do a follow-up session because in September, he’s doing another MRI. And I’m getting the FX. I believe this at the end of this week, the 405, the beginning of next week, which Denise is going to be under more than the times that he said he wanted to come? Because we’re going to see what happens to that brain? And if that actually heals the lesions, that will be one hell of a case study.


Dr. Chad Woolner: Boy, will it ever. Absolutely. Well, we’ll make sure to do a follow-up for sure. So, thanks again and everybody. We hope that this has been an inspiring episode for you. We appreciate you tuning in. We’ll talk to y’all later. Have an amazing day. Thanks for listening to the laser light show. Be sure to subscribe and give us a ring.


About The Guest(s):

Dr. Ryan Manning, a chiropractor based in California with a strengthened faith in laser based therapy, brings his patient Denise Yakovenko, suffering with MS, to discuss the impact of Low-Level Laser therapy. Advocating for extended laser treatment protocols and the use of multiple lasers for enhanced effectiveness, together Dr. Manning Denise Yakovenko showcases the potential for positive outcomes in treating the body and immune system. 


On today’s episode of the Laser Light Show Dr. Ryan Manning and one of his patients share an incredible story of healing and recovery after using the Zerona Z6 and GVL lasers.  This was POWERFUL to hear!  His patient had been an avid runner and after suffering a devastating diagnosis, went to Dr. Manning and experienced something pretty remarkable.

Key Takeaways:

 Denise Yakovenko, suffering with MS, turned to Dr. Manning to minimize the symptoms. With the power of Zerona Z6 and GVL lasers, Denise was able to recover back to his old self. 


“There is hope for people, you just have to find it and you also have to have faith and the light responds accordingly.” -Dr. Ryan Manning

“I think I have like 15, 16 lesions in my brain and seven and up. They stopped counting… to this day, I have zero symptoms…my doctor said that I might never get the feeling back in my feet, my legs or my hands… And I’m now back to normal, healthier than ever..” -Denise Yakovenko

“Denise is also an avid runner…So I said, let me know when you get two miles. So I think it was a week later I texted him I’m like, Denise, did you get your two miles? He goes no, but I just did a four mile hike with 1000 feet of elevation basically… And this isn’t two weeks, two and a half weeks…And he’s literally back.” -Dr. Ryan Manning